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hi this is martin willis and welcome to

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the everything else show everything else

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because it's usually everything else

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besides ufos but we got a little bit of

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a touch of that in tonight's show

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as well and with katie grabowski i met

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her two times out in

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arizona at the mufon boot camp last year

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and also

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at pine bush this year it was a real

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pleasure i heard her story it was

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fascinating and so i invited her on for

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tonight's show and it's a great pleasure

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for me to introduce katie grabowski

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welcome katie

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hi martin thank you so much katie

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gabrowski paige i'm changing my name

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here shortly so oh okay in a mysterious

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kool-aid kind of thumbnail yeah

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yeah i've have katie paige up there i

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didn't want everybody getting confused

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but yes katie

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paige i'm kind of going by both right

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now as i transition into that but yes

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it's a pleasure to be on your show and

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it was great hanging out hanging out

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with you at both places it was it was a

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lot of fun yeah um so

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i would uh like for you if you would

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talk about now i'm a little bit confused

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just just enlighten me on this one part

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it was a ranch that you stayed on but

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you didn't live there is that right is

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that how that goes

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that's right i spent some times that i

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spent uh one really in particular one

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evening was quite terrifying but um it

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was the late 70s

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my mom worked for united airlines and

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she had been divorced from my father for

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a couple of years and she started dating

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this gentleman that owned the ranch

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property so this gentleman had three

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sons his two youngest sons since this

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was a very rural town it was in elbert

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county colorado in a town called kiowa

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and um you know very small it's like six

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in your graduating class so they wanted

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the boys to go to a bigger school

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district which we had a class of 3500

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you know we had a big big school cherry

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creek school district so the two younger

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boys um lived with us during the week so

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we were taking the boys back and forth

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to the ranch so we'd always hear about

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the ongoings that were happening there

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never knew anybody ever investigated the

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area or anybody knew anything about it

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we knew the police were involved we knew

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a lot of strange things were happening

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later as i started investigating i

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learned that this is where linda molten

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howe actually got her start out there in

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colorado she was an investigative

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journalist

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and actually

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during my research too i found out she

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really just lived like six miles down

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the road where i lived um but yeah she

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was investigating the the

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literally hundreds of cattle mutilations

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out there at this time

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right did you experience things right

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away there or did

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things happen over

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oh okay yeah the so the family so this

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this um ranch property it was 60 acres

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it was surrounded by 180

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acres as well so it was just a lot of

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open space and since i've been

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researching the property it actually is

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sits at the highest elevation there in

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the in the town

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stories about this particular old

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homesteaded ranch that it was um

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abandoned um from the people before and

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it just sat vacant for years and years

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and years which kind of goes into

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because some of the theories were that

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we there was a lot of military activity

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in the area at the time

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one of my questions have always been

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like how much of this was military

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involvement and how much of this was

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unknown paranormal activity

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it's my opinion that if the military

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wanted to acquire this property they

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would have done so because it sat vacant

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for so many years but there was an old

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story that the people left this property

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very abruptly that they left the the

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keys in the ignition to the old pickup

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truck and i can attest to that there

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were actually quite a few abandoned cars

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on this property that were just left

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there it's like they left in a big hurry

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so so that was kind of part of the

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mystery

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phone i do some a little bit of

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volunteer work for the scu

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and um the scientific coalition for uap

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studies and i'm a member i'm not a

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scientist as you as we all know

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that listen to me but anyway what i'm

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getting at is um i have access to um

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some things that i was reading the other

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day and i just want to read you this by

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uh eric davis posted this um on the on

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the uh

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the private seo facebook but obviously

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it's for everybody because

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he wrote it he said we at nids that was

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at skinwalker ranch prove that cattle

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mutilations are not caused by ufos

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they're caused by a covert team that

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randomly samples ranch cattle to survey

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the spread of an evolution of a

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of an

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anti-livestock bioweapon virus that got

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loose during a poorly secured government

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livestock experiment in the early 1960s

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can you imagine that i mean interesting

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so i passed that along to my friend

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chris o'brien who has um who has written

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that great book

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uh right stalking the herd and uh he

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said that makes sense except it doesn't

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answer what happened in earlier times

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that's right and i was just gonna parrot

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that actually i think that may solve

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some of them maybe 80 85 maybe go up to

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90 of them but in my investigation and

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the people the ranchers that i've gone

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out in research

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that would not fit the narrative

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one of my my favorite witnesses that i

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drove out to wyoming she actually

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had experiences in kiowa with her family

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as a teenager and was there during you

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know this high strange's period that

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seemed to last from 1975 to 1978 was the

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height of it people asked me is this

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still going on today and the answer is

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yes just not to that

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like craziness where it was happening

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like daily but there are still unusual

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things that go on out here out there in

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that town

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but anyway her name's sheila and she was

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married right out of high school and her

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and her husband had moved to rhema

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colorado which is just borders

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it's just you know borders albert county

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line and it's right near kiowa and so

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they had several acres of ranch property

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and it was miles off the county road in

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the middle of nowhere and her husband

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was actually on horseback checking the

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cows for calves and he came across a

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dead calf and the calf had four

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incisions in a perfect square

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with the top of the skin removed the

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hair the fur removed but the skin was

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still there

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and he was like oh my goodness what what

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is this so he rides back to the ranch

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house and gets sheila and they go back

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in the pickup truck she said that took

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him about 20-25 minutes to get back to

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where the calf was by the time they got

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back to that calf

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the calf had been

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mutilated cauterized blood drained

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organs removed and they never heard a

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helicopter there were no truck marks

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there were no footprints

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she said it was very very eerie very

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spooky

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it felt like they were being watched

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it really changed i mean no blood all

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around the calf to me that doesn't fit

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the that military explanation you they

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would have heard copters they would have

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seen truck marks they would have had and

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there's so many other unusual things too

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other animals won't approach these

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mutilated cows you know if it was just

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humans doing that

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you know why would that be that's not

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true so and there's so many just unusual

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um stories like that where

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you know that military explanation

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doesn't explain all of them away in fact

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if you pull up picture 14

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there is a picture she actually messaged

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me in facebook and said hey kati i

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actually found the picture of that calf

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now you can see the image on the left is

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the cauterized

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where they took the organs out and the

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blood drained now the one on the right

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is also a pitcher she found and that's

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what happens when coyotes

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jump on a live cap and just eat it alive

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it looks very different

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um so it's really cool she had those

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pictures um to compare

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with but yes so

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in that instance i i don't believe that

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was a military operation

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and there's another one

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talking early as i mentioned skinwalker

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so the the one of the incidents there it

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appeared as if the cow was picked up by

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something and it dropped headfirst into

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a hole i don't know if you read that

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book but

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you know so it was like its head was

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down inside a hole like it was dropped

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from somewhere you know i mean just that

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one wouldn't make sense

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yeah i've heard that too or or or like

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and not only and you know it wasn't just

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cows it was sheep and horse so

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yeah sniffy the horse but there was also

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one in kiowa um actually um in the the

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film that linda did called a strange

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harvest

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um the um undersheriff bill whom i flew

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out there um and interviewed his widow

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and his son out in florida

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and he talks about

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this this family who you know they

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didn't have air conditioning so they

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slept with their windows open they had a

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horse right outside their kitchen window

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two other outbuildings two families dogs

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wouldn't bark so there's unusual animal

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behaviors they waited they go to bed at

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night the horse is fine they wake up the

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next morning the horse is mutilated

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right outside their windows and they had

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all their windows open it's a hot summer

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um again i don't think military would

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pull that off like that so there's a lot

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of those yeah yeah

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so it had if it had to do especially if

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it had to do with a bovine

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you know uh

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instance uh whatever it was that they

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had developed to actually kill them

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which is a really silly thing to develop

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if you ask me um i guess yeah

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it would hurt an adversary by you know

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deleting their cows i guess as far as a

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food source

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you know so but i mean that i can't

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other i can't understand what else of

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what kind of a weapon other than that it

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would be okay so let's talk about

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what the first instance that happened

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that you were aware of at the ranch when

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you were young

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yeah the very first thing that was

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reported out there were these strange

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bangs underground almost like turbines

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or something but there was none of that

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under the property um and humming sounds

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sometimes those humming sounds would get

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so loud that you couldn't hear

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yourselves talk over it that was the

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very first thing reported in the ranch

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and

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what was so awesome for me so i came in

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to mufon right as a field investigator

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in 2012 and as hopefully many of your

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listeners know john schussler is one of

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the founding fathers of mufon and when

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he learned of my um connection to that

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colorado ranch he bestowed upon me here

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i have it right here this is the

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original one right here i had it found

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the original briefing document

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of the

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investigation on the ranch property

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so in here is this chronicle

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order of things that were reported on

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the ranch

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second thing that was reported the boys

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the the older boy and the middle boy

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came across a mutilated cow on their

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property one of two that were on their

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particular property now the neighbors

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had them and when i went to interview

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the sheriff's widow um she said they

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were almost occurring daily and i had

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pulled up so many newspaper articles if

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you go

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well let's see that one doesn't oh i

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haven't let's let's pull and let's go to

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image one

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goes over all the similarities for from

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the colorado ranch to the um skinwalker

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ranch and those newspaper clippings that

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you see there are actually when i went

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to interview bill was widow jean she had

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pulled out a big folder of all these

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articles she had saved from back in the

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day

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and she was gracious enough to let me

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take that home with me here to colorado

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and copy them all and then i sent them

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back to her

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and i pulled a lot of information on a

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lot of names and got a lot of

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information from that some of which

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includes like this mysterious blanket of

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metal found which we'll get into later

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but of course the strange humming sounds

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the cattle mutilations the circles on

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the ground that's something i personally

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witnessed with my sister and was really

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cool to find that actually the

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dimensions of it here in the um briefing

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document

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we had the military connection bigfoot

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creatures crypto creatures which were

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these big bird creatures these menacing

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helicopters that would chase people and

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young people which i found images of and

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articles about and in fact i was able to

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get with kloss fawn out in sweden to

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find this uh yeah kloss is wonderful

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into the shows here yeah he's amazing

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and he had a copy of this um

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kind of a booklet it's like 60 some

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pages but it's called the choppers and

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the choppers

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that did this really investigative study

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into the me the mutilators and this

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these strange choppers that were seen

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and it's a fascinating read it's really

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really interesting they were e.t being

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cited they're two different types they

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said they were in conflict with one

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another this mysterious metal that was

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found out there and strangely enough and

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something i didn't talk about for a

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while because i thought it was so odd

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you know nobody's going to believe this

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but were these strange disappearing

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boxes and they're also reported in this

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briefing document so this ranch was

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actually investigated by apro

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and it was in this book right here

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hunt for the skinwalker that i picked up

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and and this was before the skinwalker

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ranch was really that well known you

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know there was no tv shows about it or

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anything like that and i just picked up

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the book because i thought oh a ranch

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and strange activity maybe i'll learn

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something about what happened out in the

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ranch

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and i get to the chapter other hot spots

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and there's several pages about the

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colorado ranch and i knew immediately it

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had to be the ranch from my childhood

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because of the strange family dynamic i

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was well aware of the strange family

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dynamic there and so in this book it

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mentioned the three phds that had

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investigated the property one was dr leo

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sprinkle who became a dear friend of

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mine and sadly we lost last year

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one one was um john der phd and i just

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recently found him and located him and

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i've had interesting conversations with

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him and the other one was a man named

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peter van arsdale all three phds

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seismologists and they also had a

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psychic out on the property named

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clarissa bernhardt which i tracked her

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down and did an interview with her

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and so you know as this has been

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unfolding for the last decade now that

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i've been researching this i'm just

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trying to pull names from these articles

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and reach out to the ranchers and for

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those of you who know like small town

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mentality you kind of you know you can't

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just barge in there and go i want to

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know everything you know you just have

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to you know earn trust earn respect earn

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confidentiality with these people and

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and you know lucky for me

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they've been very forthcoming and

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willing to share some of these really

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interesting events um

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you know

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the skinwalker ranch like it's just like

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there's

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these things no no borders as far as i'm

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concerned

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like they wouldn't know between the

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mexican border and the united states

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border or ufo

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doesn't care or a bigfoot doesn't care

430
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or whatever unless there's a wall there

431
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of course or whatever but still um

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what i'm getting at is what about the um

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connecting properties around the ranch

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is it it's not just that particular

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range we said it's 60 acres that's

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that's big but not really big

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right and it affected everybody in the

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town and neighboring towns as well um

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and i'll get into a person i ran across

440
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that was 14 miles away in another little

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town that i can't disclose he wrote a

442
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book and he called you know he says it

443
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was in castle rock but i learned the

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true location which in fact was 14 miles

445
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away from the ranch but you're right

446
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this is marley woods this is you know

447
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south trey hudson has the south skin

448
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walker where there's activity um and

449
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doing mufon's archive program i ran

450
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across another interesting historical

451
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case called the ufo ohio pile creature

452
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case which i believe stan gordon wrote

453
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about in his book and it's very similar

454
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to a lot of the activities out here in

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pennsylvania then of course you know you

456
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have the skin walker and blind frog and

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in sedona there

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and what i i did is i pulled up the

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geological map you know and what all

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these properties have in common are

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they're very highly highly magnetized

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areas and when we had james um keenan on

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our show just recently we were he was

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talking about how they're learning that

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these highly magnetized areas actually

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can move you know they're they're not

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stagnant per se so and that led us into

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this whole mystery of you know david

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pilates and missing 411 is that's what's

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happening people are hiking in these

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national forests they're coming across

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this highly magnetized area and james is

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saying how the compass will spin

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and i was like oh my gosh because i've

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been doing a lot of hiking lately i'm

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going to start carrying a compass with

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me right

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you don't want to get too scared

479
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yeah yeah

480
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i'm already paranoid enough getting

481
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involved in all this my strangeness

482
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stuff so i'm always like darn it but you

483
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know you want to be careful too but is

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that allowing some sort of

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portal to open up i don't know you know

486
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well um so it's the whole town it's not

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just the ranch

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yes the whole town town has problems

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yeah the whole town had i mean people

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the whole town felt eerie everybody had

491
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like loaded shotguns by their door and

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there was a heavy military presence

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there again um if you pull up

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so on this image the the the very big

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red star at the top right there that's

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where the ranch sat so if you look um

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you see the air force academy is not too

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far by and in fact in the late 70s they

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owned more property than they do now and

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it kind of almost butted to where that

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ranch property was you had um peterson

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air force base you had shrivener air

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force base you had fort carson cheyenne

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mountain and norad

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and i believe it's in christopher

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o'brien's book um

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mystery stocks the prairie that he talks

508
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about one of these first mutilations

509
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they left the cow the mutilated cow on

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the doorsteps of norad

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what is that about if they're the ones

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doing it why would they do that um and

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then also not on that map in between the

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air force academy and cheyenne mountain

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is butte which has one of the largest

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collections of military helicopters

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okay

518
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so there was

519
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there's no question that the military

520
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was aware of this property and in fact

521
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when i was at a conference in laughlin

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um richard dodie was there and i know

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people oh richard dodie he's

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disinformation officer you know whatever

525
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you think of richard dodie i was

526
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interested in knowing whether he was

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aware of this property

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and he told me that he was and in fact

529
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he's not the only person i was just

530
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recently well with you in new york you

531
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know cheryl costa was there

532
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and we were sitting there at the table

533
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and she goes oh

534
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i know who you are you're the one with

535
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the colorado ranch because you know she

536
00:20:42,070 --> 00:20:39,679
has the military background right she

537
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said we were we were aware of your ranch

538
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property the ranch property in colorado

539
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which is really interesting to me

540
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and in fact and some of dr leo sprinkles

541
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so if so in laramie wyoming is the

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heritage center and that's where dr leo

543
00:21:01,270 --> 00:20:58,480
sprinkle has housed all his research so

544
00:21:03,750 --> 00:21:01,280
there's over over 40 years of ufo

545
00:21:05,510 --> 00:21:03,760
research here at the heritage center and

546
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i went there to pull all the original

547
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files and documents which anybody can go

548
00:21:11,909 --> 00:21:09,760
do it's all open to anybody who wants to

549
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go down there and look at this

550
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i went down there immediately when i

551
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found out he was

552
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one of the investigators at this ranch

553
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and

554
00:21:22,390 --> 00:21:20,960
in those files i came across some

555
00:21:25,190 --> 00:21:22,400
interesting little tidbits of

556
00:21:26,950 --> 00:21:25,200
information one of which is

557
00:21:29,669 --> 00:21:26,960
image number six if you want to pull

558
00:21:32,070 --> 00:21:29,679
that up and the the original note there

559
00:21:34,230 --> 00:21:32,080
isn't actually dr leo sprinkle's hand

560
00:21:36,789 --> 00:21:34,240
and what it says is bill while the

561
00:21:39,110 --> 00:21:36,799
undersheriff wants to talk to someone

562
00:21:42,310 --> 00:21:39,120
has seen ships going into the ground

563
00:21:43,909 --> 00:21:42,320
boxes mutilations being done nobody

564
00:21:46,549 --> 00:21:43,919
nobody will talk don't want

565
00:21:48,230 --> 00:21:46,559
investigation or publicity no stigma

566
00:21:49,830 --> 00:21:48,240
credentials are an important factor

567
00:21:52,390 --> 00:21:49,840
that's why for years it was known as the

568
00:21:54,549 --> 00:21:52,400
clearview ranch said john would go back

569
00:21:56,549 --> 00:21:54,559
norad colonel said bluntly to forget

570
00:21:59,990 --> 00:21:56,559
about it and to shut up and the air

571
00:22:01,350 --> 00:22:00,000
force has a directive to handle ufos and

572
00:22:03,029 --> 00:22:01,360
bigfoot

573
00:22:05,350 --> 00:22:03,039
so right there

574
00:22:07,430 --> 00:22:05,360
um and i heard from genoa the the

575
00:22:09,190 --> 00:22:07,440
sheriff's wall and also there was george

576
00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:09,200
yarnell he was the sheriff of elbert

577
00:22:14,149 --> 00:22:11,520
county at the time and they had

578
00:22:17,029 --> 00:22:14,159
directives directly from norad in the

579
00:22:21,270 --> 00:22:17,039
air force academy to to actually lie

580
00:22:24,549 --> 00:22:21,280
about the mutilations um you know to

581
00:22:26,789 --> 00:22:24,559
say it's religious or satanic cults or

582
00:22:29,270 --> 00:22:26,799
whatever you know and there was a big

583
00:22:31,270 --> 00:22:29,280
uproar in the state i mean you know

584
00:22:32,789 --> 00:22:31,280
the the governor of the state was even

585
00:22:35,029 --> 00:22:32,799
involved because everybody was arming

586
00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:35,039
themselves people were really afraid and

587
00:22:40,950 --> 00:22:37,840
the area felt really really frightening

588
00:22:43,029 --> 00:22:40,960
um another theory that i had

589
00:22:45,750 --> 00:22:43,039
is that possibly there were like black

590
00:22:47,750 --> 00:22:45,760
access projects going on out there and i

591
00:22:50,310 --> 00:22:47,760
had a clue into that and that's image

592
00:22:52,870 --> 00:22:50,320
number seven this was also in dr leo

593
00:22:54,630 --> 00:22:52,880
sprinkles files and and this is in his

594
00:22:56,310 --> 00:22:54,640
hand and i think it's interesting

595
00:22:58,070 --> 00:22:56,320
because it says warren and they redacted

596
00:22:59,830 --> 00:22:58,080
his last name from camp carson so

597
00:23:03,350 --> 00:22:59,840
immediately i'm like what is this guy

598
00:23:05,590 --> 00:23:03,360
from a soldier from camp carson be doing

599
00:23:08,070 --> 00:23:05,600
on the ranch property it says he visits

600
00:23:09,669 --> 00:23:08,080
the ranch he felt something wrong he

601
00:23:12,549 --> 00:23:09,679
wouldn't go into the woods something

602
00:23:14,789 --> 00:23:12,559
took over his mind made him walk towards

603
00:23:16,870 --> 00:23:14,799
the woods and released him and he would

604
00:23:18,789 --> 00:23:16,880
run back to the ranch house and this did

605
00:23:20,950 --> 00:23:18,799
this to him five times was that like an

606
00:23:22,710 --> 00:23:20,960
mk ultra mind control or was that like

607
00:23:24,789 --> 00:23:22,720
et's doing something to his mind with

608
00:23:26,789 --> 00:23:24,799
these weird boxes

609
00:23:29,590 --> 00:23:26,799
that's strange huh

610
00:23:31,029 --> 00:23:29,600
really weird wow really scary

611
00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:31,039
um how far

612
00:23:34,310 --> 00:23:32,240
um

613
00:23:36,630 --> 00:23:34,320
away distance wise or is it right there

614
00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:36,640
in the sam luis valley

615
00:23:40,549 --> 00:23:39,360
oh no um actually where kiowa albert

616
00:23:44,390 --> 00:23:40,559
county is

617
00:23:46,549 --> 00:23:44,400
um it's it's more um it's further east

618
00:23:49,269 --> 00:23:46,559
um it's east of denver so

619
00:23:52,549 --> 00:23:49,279
if anybody like parker it's out it's out

620
00:23:55,590 --> 00:23:52,559
pretty rural but there are like um these

621
00:23:57,669 --> 00:23:55,600
um patches of ponderosa pine so it's not

622
00:23:59,750 --> 00:23:57,679
heavily forested it's actually a very

623
00:24:01,909 --> 00:23:59,760
open ranch area

624
00:24:03,430 --> 00:24:01,919
yeah and it was about an hour away from

625
00:24:05,830 --> 00:24:03,440
my house where we lived where the kids

626
00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:05,840
went to school at cherry creek so

627
00:24:11,110 --> 00:24:07,760
you know it was a two-hour trek back and

628
00:24:12,950 --> 00:24:11,120
forth from the ranch to our house

629
00:24:15,990 --> 00:24:12,960
so what type of effect did this have on

630
00:24:17,190 --> 00:24:16,000
you in in general as a child were you

631
00:24:20,070 --> 00:24:17,200
like

632
00:24:22,070 --> 00:24:20,080
dreading every time you were going there

633
00:24:24,950 --> 00:24:22,080
it was scary um and what's really

634
00:24:27,510 --> 00:24:24,960
fascinating about all of this is

635
00:24:30,789 --> 00:24:27,520
so actually i i actually leave tomorrow

636
00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:30,799
morning to go to david marlar's archives

637
00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:33,600
his house to do some research because

638
00:24:39,830 --> 00:24:37,200
for me ufos and ufology was kind of just

639
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:39,840
part of my upbringing i'm originally

640
00:24:44,390 --> 00:24:42,240
from illinois my grandparents lived in

641
00:24:46,710 --> 00:24:44,400
wisconsin and lake geneva and my

642
00:24:49,669 --> 00:24:46,720
grandfather actually had a sighting over

643
00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:49,679
lake como of an oblong-shaped craft that

644
00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:52,559
was investigated by jay allen heineck so

645
00:24:56,149 --> 00:24:54,000
i'm going to be looking for a needle in

646
00:24:57,750 --> 00:24:56,159
the haystack at david marlar's this

647
00:24:59,830 --> 00:24:57,760
weekend because if i could find that

648
00:25:01,350 --> 00:24:59,840
original report of my grandfather's just

649
00:25:03,350 --> 00:25:01,360
to have it

650
00:25:05,110 --> 00:25:03,360
would be super cool i'm also working on

651
00:25:06,870 --> 00:25:05,120
another project i'll be investigating

652
00:25:09,830 --> 00:25:06,880
there as well

653
00:25:11,909 --> 00:25:09,840
but and then also my mom talks about two

654
00:25:14,549 --> 00:25:11,919
other sightings we had going from

655
00:25:16,470 --> 00:25:14,559
illinois or from wisconsin back to her

656
00:25:18,549 --> 00:25:16,480
home in illinois in a little town right

657
00:25:21,029 --> 00:25:18,559
across the border there called richmond

658
00:25:23,110 --> 00:25:21,039
and she said one of them there was just

659
00:25:25,830 --> 00:25:23,120
hovering off the ground she said it was

660
00:25:28,630 --> 00:25:25,840
a bit larger than a billboard size was

661
00:25:32,070 --> 00:25:28,640
another oblong shaped craft i was in the

662
00:25:33,669 --> 00:25:32,080
front seat of a 66 buick and she said i

663
00:25:36,230 --> 00:25:33,679
was after that sighting i was like

664
00:25:39,430 --> 00:25:36,240
catatonic they were like katie you know

665
00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:39,440
you know and so you know i've heard that

666
00:25:43,510 --> 00:25:41,520
story growing up my whole life that you

667
00:25:45,669 --> 00:25:43,520
know we saw this craft and you were

668
00:25:47,350 --> 00:25:45,679
catatonic and then my grandfather's

669
00:25:48,549 --> 00:25:47,360
siding and he was in the navy and he was

670
00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:48,559
a mason i don't know if there's any

671
00:25:52,549 --> 00:25:50,640
connection there but i i do hear a lot

672
00:25:54,390 --> 00:25:52,559
of people that have

673
00:25:57,350 --> 00:25:54,400
sightings or

674
00:25:59,669 --> 00:25:57,360
contact with something that our military

675
00:26:01,190 --> 00:25:59,679
families so i think that's interesting

676
00:26:03,750 --> 00:26:01,200
as well and then of course we moved to

677
00:26:06,149 --> 00:26:03,760
colorado in 1970 my mom's a computer

678
00:26:08,630 --> 00:26:06,159
operator for united and

679
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:08,640
lo and behold in 1975 all this crazy

680
00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:11,039
stuff happens and when you ask me how it

681
00:26:15,990 --> 00:26:12,480
affected me

682
00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:16,000
um all of my life i've had strange and

683
00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:18,720
unusual things like you know live in a

684
00:26:23,350 --> 00:26:20,880
haunted house or shadow figures in my

685
00:26:25,350 --> 00:26:23,360
room and just different things like this

686
00:26:28,470 --> 00:26:25,360
um seeing people's lives in pictures

687
00:26:30,549 --> 00:26:28,480
which i thought everybody did that um

688
00:26:32,310 --> 00:26:30,559
and it wasn't until skin walkers at the

689
00:26:34,390 --> 00:26:32,320
pentagon and they started talking about

690
00:26:35,430 --> 00:26:34,400
this hitchhiker phenomenon because i

691
00:26:38,070 --> 00:26:35,440
always kind of

692
00:26:40,710 --> 00:26:38,080
just kind of i always just separated all

693
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:40,720
of it i compartmentalized it like okay

694
00:26:43,830 --> 00:26:42,480
this weird mutilation thing was

695
00:26:45,669 --> 00:26:43,840
happening these crazy things were

696
00:26:47,190 --> 00:26:45,679
happening at the ranch and the shadow

697
00:26:48,630 --> 00:26:47,200
figures i'm sleeping with my sister and

698
00:26:50,230 --> 00:26:48,640
checking under my bed that's something

699
00:26:51,830 --> 00:26:50,240
different you know and that's something

700
00:26:54,470 --> 00:26:51,840
different and that's something different

701
00:26:57,269 --> 00:26:54,480
but now i'm i'm starting to think maybe

702
00:26:58,230 --> 00:26:57,279
somehow they're all interconnected

703
00:26:59,269 --> 00:26:58,240
um

704
00:27:00,149 --> 00:26:59,279
you know

705
00:27:02,870 --> 00:27:00,159
yeah

706
00:27:04,630 --> 00:27:02,880
so does this happen like we're

707
00:27:05,590 --> 00:27:04,640
you said you were like in a haunted

708
00:27:06,390 --> 00:27:05,600
house

709
00:27:08,390 --> 00:27:06,400
like

710
00:27:10,070 --> 00:27:08,400
these things happen to you all the time

711
00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:10,080
still

712
00:27:15,430 --> 00:27:12,240
yeah you know what's what's happening

713
00:27:16,390 --> 00:27:15,440
more and more now it almost feels like

714
00:27:19,269 --> 00:27:16,400
um

715
00:27:21,669 --> 00:27:19,279
just weird synchronicities and almost

716
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:21,679
manifestation is something that happens

717
00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:24,960
like at a shocking rate in my life

718
00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:27,360
i'm like what is this and i'll give you

719
00:27:32,470 --> 00:27:29,600
a good example of this so

720
00:27:35,510 --> 00:27:32,480
about three and a half years ago i was

721
00:27:38,389 --> 00:27:35,520
given a fascinating fascinating case to

722
00:27:42,070 --> 00:27:38,399
start researching and it it ties back to

723
00:27:44,950 --> 00:27:42,080
the actual roswell case of 1947

724
00:27:48,310 --> 00:27:44,960
and there was a brigadier general arthur

725
00:27:50,310 --> 00:27:48,320
exxon and he had said to don schmidt and

726
00:27:52,789 --> 00:27:50,320
kevin randle that one of the roswell

727
00:27:54,789 --> 00:27:52,799
bodies ended up in a mortuary outfit in

728
00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:54,799
denver okay

729
00:27:57,669 --> 00:27:55,679
so

730
00:27:59,909 --> 00:27:57,679
a few years back i get a report from

731
00:28:01,350 --> 00:27:59,919
this very nice couple um out of

732
00:28:03,510 --> 00:28:01,360
california

733
00:28:04,789 --> 00:28:03,520
and they are best friends with a

734
00:28:10,870 --> 00:28:04,799
mortician

735
00:28:12,789 --> 00:28:10,880
denver and for decades this

736
00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:12,799
vault sat in

737
00:28:18,950 --> 00:28:16,000
the basement of this mortuary in denver

738
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:18,960
interestingly enough downtown not too

739
00:28:24,310 --> 00:28:21,600
far from fitzsimmons and lowry and also

740
00:28:26,870 --> 00:28:24,320
very close to the mason lodge and there

741
00:28:29,510 --> 00:28:26,880
this vault sat and sat and sat and he

742
00:28:31,909 --> 00:28:29,520
the mortician never thought there was a

743
00:28:33,669 --> 00:28:31,919
body even in there why would there be if

744
00:28:36,549 --> 00:28:33,679
it's sitting there for so long

745
00:28:38,549 --> 00:28:36,559
and um finally he inquires about it and

746
00:28:40,710 --> 00:28:38,559
there said you know what there's a judge

747
00:28:42,789 --> 00:28:40,720
that hold has a hold on this on this

748
00:28:44,310 --> 00:28:42,799
body don't touch it

749
00:28:45,669 --> 00:28:44,320
okay and this is where they stored the

750
00:28:48,230 --> 00:28:45,679
chairs and stuff

751
00:28:49,590 --> 00:28:48,240
and um so i get the judge's name i i

752
00:28:50,950 --> 00:28:49,600
actually will be speaking at ufo

753
00:28:52,549 --> 00:28:50,960
congress i don't know if i'm going to be

754
00:28:54,389 --> 00:28:52,559
sharing all these documents and all this

755
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:54,399
information yet but i'm putting together

756
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:56,000
a presentation all this because i've

757
00:28:59,990 --> 00:28:58,080
been digging on this and going to the

758
00:29:01,510 --> 00:29:00,000
archives the eisenhower

759
00:29:03,269 --> 00:29:01,520
archives and that but what i find out

760
00:29:05,909 --> 00:29:03,279
the more the

761
00:29:08,149 --> 00:29:05,919
mortuary where this body was held

762
00:29:10,789 --> 00:29:08,159
um the owner of it lived three doors

763
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:10,799
down from mamie eisenhower okay

764
00:29:15,190 --> 00:29:13,200
and also went to the same lodge the

765
00:29:17,830 --> 00:29:15,200
judge was went to the same lodge and was

766
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:17,840
a 33 degree mason and one was a he was a

767
00:29:21,590 --> 00:29:20,399
federal judge appointed by nixon

768
00:29:23,350 --> 00:29:21,600
and what's interesting about this

769
00:29:25,190 --> 00:29:23,360
federal judge is he was the crash

770
00:29:27,590 --> 00:29:25,200
retrieval specialist

771
00:29:29,990 --> 00:29:27,600
and the infectious disease specialist

772
00:29:33,350 --> 00:29:30,000
and actually handled the biggest case in

773
00:29:34,950 --> 00:29:33,360
the country on organ transplants so i'm

774
00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:34,960
thinking so when i talk to don schmidt

775
00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:36,480
i'm like okay first i have so many

776
00:29:40,230 --> 00:29:37,440
questions

777
00:29:42,630 --> 00:29:40,240
so i believe that three of the bodies

778
00:29:45,269 --> 00:29:42,640
went to texas okay

779
00:29:47,590 --> 00:29:45,279
and i believe possibly one of those

780
00:29:50,310 --> 00:29:47,600
ended up at fitzsimmons lowry

781
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:50,320
if there was maybe perhaps some sort of

782
00:29:56,149 --> 00:29:52,320
organ or something they wanted to look

783
00:29:58,630 --> 00:29:56,159
at so what happens is this mortician

784
00:30:00,789 --> 00:29:58,640
the curiosity kills the cat and he pulls

785
00:30:03,029 --> 00:30:00,799
his caper what he i went and interviewed

786
00:30:05,110 --> 00:30:03,039
him twice and his and his wife is such a

787
00:30:07,269 --> 00:30:05,120
sweetheart and just wonderful he has

788
00:30:10,310 --> 00:30:07,279
since passed also so i'm glad we have

789
00:30:13,750 --> 00:30:10,320
this on film and his his story and and

790
00:30:15,590 --> 00:30:13,760
everything documented but he was curious

791
00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:15,600
about what was in the vault so he opens

792
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:18,480
the vault he was shocked to see

793
00:30:22,389 --> 00:30:21,360
in there that um it was a child-sized

794
00:30:23,190 --> 00:30:22,399
coffin

795
00:30:25,750 --> 00:30:23,200
um

796
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:25,760
he opens it up the body is in seven

797
00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:28,320
layers of amelda high cloth all the

798
00:30:33,110 --> 00:30:30,480
visceral is removed genitals are

799
00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:33,120
completely cut out orifices for ears

800
00:30:36,149 --> 00:30:34,480
heavy brow

801
00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:36,159
and he thought at the time because my

802
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:37,679
first question was if you thought this

803
00:30:41,190 --> 00:30:39,360
was a roswell body why didn't you take

804
00:30:43,669 --> 00:30:41,200
pictures why didn't you like you know

805
00:30:47,830 --> 00:30:43,679
breaking news and he said

806
00:30:49,590 --> 00:30:47,840
he didn't think alien or ufo or anything

807
00:30:51,590 --> 00:30:49,600
his mind wasn't there at all first he

808
00:30:53,350 --> 00:30:51,600
was you know his eyes are watering and

809
00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:53,360
all that from the formaldehyde he was

810
00:30:56,950 --> 00:30:55,440
shocked there was a child in there he

811
00:30:59,830 --> 00:30:56,960
was shocked that the visceral was gone

812
00:31:02,870 --> 00:30:59,840
he was shocked at the condition of the

813
00:31:05,110 --> 00:31:02,880
gray heavy kind of skin the genitals are

814
00:31:06,630 --> 00:31:05,120
cut out he just was like what the heck

815
00:31:08,710 --> 00:31:06,640
am i looking at and he really felt

816
00:31:11,269 --> 00:31:08,720
mortified that he disturbed this

817
00:31:14,389 --> 00:31:11,279
person's peace so he puts it all

818
00:31:15,909 --> 00:31:14,399
together and it wasn't until years later

819
00:31:19,110 --> 00:31:15,919
that he and his wife they were hang

820
00:31:22,310 --> 00:31:19,120
gliding in roswell and he just for the

821
00:31:24,149 --> 00:31:22,320
fun of it went to the roswell museum and

822
00:31:26,789 --> 00:31:24,159
you know the rest he learned about this

823
00:31:29,190 --> 00:31:26,799
rumor that and he was like oh my gosh

824
00:31:31,269 --> 00:31:29,200
ding ding ding ding ding that's what it

825
00:31:33,509 --> 00:31:31,279
was so i've been investigating like i

826
00:31:35,590 --> 00:31:33,519
said this case and and it has very

827
00:31:37,990 --> 00:31:35,600
interesting connections um to the

828
00:31:39,669 --> 00:31:38,000
eisenhower's two-foot simmons to lowry

829
00:31:42,870 --> 00:31:39,679
and all these people are connecting dots

830
00:31:44,549 --> 00:31:42,880
so back to the sync synchronicity i was

831
00:31:47,190 --> 00:31:44,559
i did circle back around to the

832
00:31:49,590 --> 00:31:47,200
synchronicity my mom was in an

833
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:49,600
independent living facility here you

834
00:31:55,110 --> 00:31:51,840
know in denver and she asked me she said

835
00:31:57,750 --> 00:31:55,120
hey katie can you come do a ufo's 101

836
00:32:00,070 --> 00:31:57,760
presentation you know and i'm like sure

837
00:32:02,549 --> 00:32:00,080
so i do that and i'm talking with all

838
00:32:04,630 --> 00:32:02,559
the people that were at the presentation

839
00:32:06,870 --> 00:32:04,640
after it and i was mentioning the

840
00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:06,880
roswell body and the judge

841
00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:07,840
and

842
00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:10,480
one of the residents go oh you mean you

843
00:32:13,269 --> 00:32:11,360
know

844
00:32:15,190 --> 00:32:13,279
his widow's on the sixth floor you want

845
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:15,200
me to go get her

846
00:32:19,350 --> 00:32:17,279
and i'm just like you have got to be

847
00:32:21,430 --> 00:32:19,360
kidding me what are the chances of that

848
00:32:22,870 --> 00:32:21,440
so i had two interviews with the judge's

849
00:32:24,950 --> 00:32:22,880
widow

850
00:32:27,430 --> 00:32:24,960
and she had a lot of revealing things to

851
00:32:29,509 --> 00:32:27,440
say that's how i found out you know all

852
00:32:31,350 --> 00:32:29,519
the information about he being the

853
00:32:33,110 --> 00:32:31,360
infectious disease specialist the crash

854
00:32:35,190 --> 00:32:33,120
retrieval specialist how many times he

855
00:32:36,870 --> 00:32:35,200
was back and forth to new mexico not

856
00:32:38,789 --> 00:32:36,880
only that but i do believe where the

857
00:32:40,149 --> 00:32:38,799
body was moved

858
00:32:43,190 --> 00:32:40,159
that's a whole thing i'm not ready to

859
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:43,200
disclose it yet but my theory matches

860
00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:45,120
with what she said because they were

861
00:32:50,149 --> 00:32:48,320
actually in attendance uh i believe a

862
00:32:52,389 --> 00:32:50,159
certain body was removed and this body

863
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:52,399
was then put in and they were there the

864
00:32:55,990 --> 00:32:54,480
judge and his wife were there and i'm

865
00:32:57,990 --> 00:32:56,000
like why would they be there if there

866
00:32:59,990 --> 00:32:58,000
wasn't a connection so it's really

867
00:33:01,350 --> 00:33:00,000
unfolding and it's really a fascinating

868
00:33:03,750 --> 00:33:01,360
story

869
00:33:05,909 --> 00:33:03,760
did you say that the body was removed

870
00:33:07,830 --> 00:33:05,919
and replaced

871
00:33:09,990 --> 00:33:07,840
yeah i don't want to get into details on

872
00:33:12,149 --> 00:33:10,000
that but a certain body was removed and

873
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:12,159
this body that was stored in this

874
00:33:16,149 --> 00:33:14,880
mortuary was put in its place so i do

875
00:33:18,389 --> 00:33:16,159
believe i know where this body is

876
00:33:21,029 --> 00:33:18,399
located and in fact i've done soil

877
00:33:22,870 --> 00:33:21,039
samples because around so

878
00:33:25,750 --> 00:33:22,880
if you go to where this

879
00:33:28,149 --> 00:33:25,760
where this body could possibly be and i

880
00:33:30,870 --> 00:33:28,159
have footage of this everything around

881
00:33:33,509 --> 00:33:30,880
it is super green except for right where

882
00:33:35,029 --> 00:33:33,519
that is and everything's dead

883
00:33:40,149 --> 00:33:35,039
and i've gone back year after year and

884
00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:41,590
yeah yep

885
00:33:44,870 --> 00:33:43,440
yeah so now i'm thinking i need to

886
00:33:46,870 --> 00:33:44,880
figure out how to get like ground

887
00:33:48,470 --> 00:33:46,880
penetrating radar like i don't know

888
00:33:49,590 --> 00:33:48,480
handheld or something but it's like in a

889
00:33:52,389 --> 00:33:49,600
place where i don't want to get caught

890
00:33:55,509 --> 00:33:52,399
and i don't want to get in trouble

891
00:33:57,509 --> 00:33:55,519
so yeah but it's been fascinating

892
00:34:00,870 --> 00:33:57,519
if you're going to actually uncover a

893
00:34:07,029 --> 00:34:00,880
real genuine alien body

894
00:34:11,109 --> 00:34:08,629
i'll help we're going in

895
00:34:14,470 --> 00:34:11,119
ninja suits and at night

896
00:34:16,069 --> 00:34:14,480
right we can do a brave rock

897
00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:16,079
drone or something it's really

898
00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:17,440
fascinating i've been that's why i've

899
00:34:22,790 --> 00:34:19,440
been really careful coming public with

900
00:34:25,190 --> 00:34:22,800
the story because i know in this field

901
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:25,200
especially when it comes to roswell um

902
00:34:28,470 --> 00:34:26,639
you need to really have your ducks in a

903
00:34:30,389 --> 00:34:28,480
row like i have

904
00:34:32,869 --> 00:34:30,399
all my theories and all that but i i

905
00:34:35,349 --> 00:34:32,879
have documentation and and i'm

906
00:34:36,790 --> 00:34:35,359
connecting the dots with certain people

907
00:34:37,990 --> 00:34:36,800
that are involved and it's really

908
00:34:40,149 --> 00:34:38,000
important to me

909
00:34:42,230 --> 00:34:40,159
you know to get you know don schmidt's

910
00:34:43,829 --> 00:34:42,240
opinion on this and and see what he

911
00:34:45,349 --> 00:34:43,839
thinks of it does it hold water or

912
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:45,359
doesn't it because right now it's just a

913
00:34:49,750 --> 00:34:47,040
theory and i'm just trying to put these

914
00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:49,760
pieces together i also intentionally and

915
00:34:53,510 --> 00:34:51,520
this may be bad on my part i don't know

916
00:34:57,270 --> 00:34:53,520
maybe it's good maybe it's bad

917
00:34:59,190 --> 00:34:57,280
but i tend to when it comes to roswell

918
00:35:01,430 --> 00:34:59,200
i haven't read all the books they're all

919
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:01,440
on my shelf back here i have a whole

920
00:35:06,550 --> 00:35:04,320
roswell section but i haven't read them

921
00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:06,560
because i don't want to be biased and

922
00:35:12,470 --> 00:35:08,640
i'm trying to look at the evidence i

923
00:35:14,550 --> 00:35:12,480
have with like fresh eyes

924
00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:14,560
you know what i'm saying and let it lead

925
00:35:18,390 --> 00:35:16,960
me where it leads me and then see if it

926
00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:18,400
connects back

927
00:35:23,430 --> 00:35:20,880
yeah plus you have to be you have to be

928
00:35:26,069 --> 00:35:24,950
you have to realize there's egos

929
00:35:27,030 --> 00:35:26,079
involved

930
00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:27,040
um

931
00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:28,480
when you're looking at something like

932
00:35:32,310 --> 00:35:30,480
this too and how

933
00:35:34,550 --> 00:35:32,320
people want to

934
00:35:36,550 --> 00:35:34,560
control a narrative

935
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:36,560
because of say

936
00:35:40,790 --> 00:35:39,040
a book that was written or

937
00:35:43,510 --> 00:35:40,800
something else so

938
00:35:45,270 --> 00:35:43,520
yeah you attack it fresh and

939
00:35:47,430 --> 00:35:45,280
yeah i would love to keep updated on

940
00:35:49,990 --> 00:35:47,440
that because you know yeah it's a what

941
00:35:52,230 --> 00:35:50,000
if type of thing well where if if you're

942
00:35:54,550 --> 00:35:52,240
at ufo congress and i have my ufo

943
00:35:55,349 --> 00:35:54,560
congress hoodie i will be there hold up

944
00:35:57,750 --> 00:35:55,359
here

945
00:35:59,270 --> 00:35:57,760
and if i present on that yeah you know

946
00:36:00,790 --> 00:35:59,280
it's sort of like if you go to ufo

947
00:36:02,230 --> 00:36:00,800
congress you'll be first to hear their

948
00:36:04,230 --> 00:36:02,240
sure i'm not for sure that's what i'm

949
00:36:05,589 --> 00:36:04,240
doing it on and like i said i don't want

950
00:36:06,950 --> 00:36:05,599
to give away the whole farm because

951
00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:06,960
you're right i think when it comes to

952
00:36:11,190 --> 00:36:08,880
books and publishing your work and your

953
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:11,200
research you do have to be careful

954
00:36:15,030 --> 00:36:12,480
because there are people who will come

955
00:36:16,950 --> 00:36:15,040
in and try and take it or get credit or

956
00:36:18,950 --> 00:36:16,960
whatever and one of the best ways to

957
00:36:21,750 --> 00:36:18,960
protect that is to put it in writing

958
00:36:24,550 --> 00:36:21,760
into a book form so i need to be careful

959
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:24,560
about what i put out there and that's

960
00:36:28,790 --> 00:36:26,400
why i don't want to give too many names

961
00:36:30,950 --> 00:36:28,800
and all that everything away right up

962
00:36:33,349 --> 00:36:30,960
yeah all that away locations for sure

963
00:36:35,109 --> 00:36:33,359
you don't want to get that away here's a

964
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:35,119
question i told people they could post

965
00:36:40,470 --> 00:36:37,920
some questions so judy writes has katie

966
00:36:44,150 --> 00:36:40,480
ever felt physically endangered by any

967
00:36:46,710 --> 00:36:44,160
of her encounters yes the answer is yes

968
00:36:48,870 --> 00:36:46,720
and interestingly enough um you know i

969
00:36:52,710 --> 00:36:48,880
had a really interesting talk um with

970
00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:52,720
heidi hollis about this um in oregon at

971
00:36:55,829 --> 00:36:53,520
the

972
00:36:57,430 --> 00:36:55,839
mega conference is that with a scam like

973
00:36:59,589 --> 00:36:57,440
um and um

974
00:37:01,829 --> 00:36:59,599
we talked about how it's interesting how

975
00:37:02,630 --> 00:37:01,839
some contact in

976
00:37:03,990 --> 00:37:02,640
um

977
00:37:05,349 --> 00:37:04,000
some of these really fearful things

978
00:37:06,950 --> 00:37:05,359
because you got to remember when all

979
00:37:09,829 --> 00:37:06,960
this stuff was happening at the ranch

980
00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:09,839
i'm 9 to 12 years old you know i'm just

981
00:37:13,829 --> 00:37:11,760
a little girl and i'm seeing these tall

982
00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:13,839
shadow figures in my room

983
00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:16,400
twos or threes peeking around the door

984
00:37:20,790 --> 00:37:18,480
hovering over me and yeah and i'll get

985
00:37:23,030 --> 00:37:20,800
into my physical symptoms

986
00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:23,040
when i talk about that real scary night

987
00:37:26,150 --> 00:37:24,720
at the ranch property because that's

988
00:37:28,230 --> 00:37:26,160
when a lot of these things really

989
00:37:30,950 --> 00:37:28,240
started kicking in for me

990
00:37:32,950 --> 00:37:30,960
in fact i was so afraid i i walked back

991
00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:32,960
and forth to school from my elementary

992
00:37:37,270 --> 00:37:35,280
school and if a car and especially a

993
00:37:38,790 --> 00:37:37,280
motorcycle was particularly frightening

994
00:37:40,870 --> 00:37:38,800
for me because motorcycles can go up on

995
00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:40,880
the lawn but any time a car or a

996
00:37:43,750 --> 00:37:42,400
motorcycle would pass i would pretend

997
00:37:44,790 --> 00:37:43,760
like i lived at the house that was

998
00:37:47,030 --> 00:37:44,800
closest

999
00:37:49,030 --> 00:37:47,040
because i was always afraid i was always

1000
00:37:50,710 --> 00:37:49,040
afraid of being kidnapped or something

1001
00:37:52,230 --> 00:37:50,720
yeah like i live there like i'd go up to

1002
00:37:53,510 --> 00:37:52,240
these people's stranger's doors like i

1003
00:37:56,310 --> 00:37:53,520
live at this house because i was

1004
00:37:57,910 --> 00:37:56,320
terrified all the time never slept alone

1005
00:38:00,390 --> 00:37:57,920
i always slept with my big sister she

1006
00:38:03,270 --> 00:38:00,400
was six years older than i and um i

1007
00:38:05,190 --> 00:38:03,280
slept with her i never ever slept alone

1008
00:38:06,550 --> 00:38:05,200
always had my bed up against a wall you

1009
00:38:08,069 --> 00:38:06,560
know did the thing you do when you're a

1010
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:08,079
little kid check under the bed make sure

1011
00:38:12,069 --> 00:38:09,599
your closet's closed sleep with the

1012
00:38:14,069 --> 00:38:12,079
light on all that all that stuff you

1013
00:38:15,750 --> 00:38:14,079
know and you can chalk it up to just

1014
00:38:18,230 --> 00:38:15,760
being afraid of the boogeyman but i

1015
00:38:21,190 --> 00:38:18,240
think there was more to it than that

1016
00:38:24,630 --> 00:38:21,200
yeah yeah and did you did you feel like

1017
00:38:27,030 --> 00:38:24,640
in the house itself did you feel like or

1018
00:38:28,790 --> 00:38:27,040
did other people discuss feeling like a

1019
00:38:31,109 --> 00:38:28,800
presence or something

1020
00:38:34,150 --> 00:38:31,119
well on the racist property yet

1021
00:38:37,589 --> 00:38:34,160
um at the ranch was just eerie oh yeah i

1022
00:38:39,510 --> 00:38:37,599
mean no it was inside too um one of the

1023
00:38:41,990 --> 00:38:39,520
most terrifying nights we had at the

1024
00:38:43,670 --> 00:38:42,000
ranch my sister was there the boys

1025
00:38:45,750 --> 00:38:43,680
i believe it was the boys mother's

1026
00:38:48,150 --> 00:38:45,760
birthday she had a new boyfriend

1027
00:38:49,829 --> 00:38:48,160
interest and so it was the mom the

1028
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:49,839
boyfriend my mom

1029
00:38:53,589 --> 00:38:51,839
you know her boyfriend their father and

1030
00:38:55,109 --> 00:38:53,599
the boys and my sister and i and they

1031
00:38:56,710 --> 00:38:55,119
were up till we hours in the morning

1032
00:38:58,390 --> 00:38:56,720
playing board games we were hanging out

1033
00:39:00,390 --> 00:38:58,400
in the boys room i'm the youngest of all

1034
00:39:02,870 --> 00:39:00,400
these kids and all the sudden that

1035
00:39:06,550 --> 00:39:02,880
humming noises started up so it was just

1036
00:39:09,109 --> 00:39:07,990
and then all the power in the house goes

1037
00:39:15,510 --> 00:39:09,119
out

1038
00:39:16,870 --> 00:39:15,520
window was the brightest white light i'd

1039
00:39:18,470 --> 00:39:16,880
ever seen in my life it was not a

1040
00:39:19,829 --> 00:39:18,480
helicopter i know that for certain

1041
00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:19,839
because you would he'll hear a

1042
00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:22,560
helicopter and at that moment this

1043
00:39:26,790 --> 00:39:25,200
disembodied electrical sounding voice

1044
00:39:29,270 --> 00:39:26,800
came from like every orifice of the

1045
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:29,280
house and it basically said like we have

1046
00:39:33,910 --> 00:39:31,920
allowed you to remain your friends will

1047
00:39:35,109 --> 00:39:33,920
be instructed to remain silent

1048
00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:35,119
concerning us

1049
00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:37,760
it was terrifying and when we so my mom

1050
00:39:43,270 --> 00:39:39,520
my sister and i we go back to the ranch

1051
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:43,280
or our house and my house you walk in

1052
00:39:46,950 --> 00:39:45,359
and there's a stairway going right up i

1053
00:39:50,790 --> 00:39:46,960
get inside the door and i maybe take

1054
00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:50,800
four steps and i fall down i collapsed

1055
00:39:56,310 --> 00:39:53,440
on the floor and i'm like

1056
00:39:58,069 --> 00:39:56,320
paralyzed or catatonic i couldn't talk i

1057
00:39:59,349 --> 00:39:58,079
was trying to say my mom and my sister

1058
00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:59,359
are going what did you eat what did you

1059
00:40:01,829 --> 00:40:00,480
eat and i was trying to say peanut

1060
00:40:03,910 --> 00:40:01,839
butter and jelly sandwiches and i

1061
00:40:07,109 --> 00:40:03,920
couldn't talk and i stayed like that for

1062
00:40:09,270 --> 00:40:07,119
a few minutes came to they got me up to

1063
00:40:10,950 --> 00:40:09,280
my bedroom and i had the worst migraine

1064
00:40:12,630 --> 00:40:10,960
headache i had ever had in my life with

1065
00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:12,640
the tunnel vision the vomiting all that

1066
00:40:17,670 --> 00:40:14,880
stuff and i suffered severe migraines

1067
00:40:19,030 --> 00:40:17,680
after that like every week for

1068
00:40:20,710 --> 00:40:19,040
years until i finally went through

1069
00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:20,720
biofeedback training

1070
00:40:24,630 --> 00:40:22,560
to get rid of my migraine headaches you

1071
00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:24,640
know nightmare started up shadow figure

1072
00:40:28,710 --> 00:40:26,880
started up all these weird things

1073
00:40:30,550 --> 00:40:28,720
started happening to me after that

1074
00:40:33,190 --> 00:40:30,560
encounter

1075
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:33,200
so yeah and when was the last time you

1076
00:40:37,670 --> 00:40:34,560
went there

1077
00:40:39,910 --> 00:40:37,680
uh just last summer no i mean uh as as a

1078
00:40:42,150 --> 00:40:39,920
child living there

1079
00:40:45,270 --> 00:40:42,160
oh as a child i was like 12 years old

1080
00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:45,280
yeah yeah um i i can remember my sister

1081
00:40:49,510 --> 00:40:47,520
and i were there one spring day

1082
00:40:51,349 --> 00:40:49,520
we you know in colorado you get like the

1083
00:40:53,109 --> 00:40:51,359
sun shining it's pretty nice but you

1084
00:40:55,030 --> 00:40:53,119
have that wet heavy snow

1085
00:40:57,270 --> 00:40:55,040
and so we were out there yeah it melted

1086
00:40:58,870 --> 00:40:57,280
real fast it melts really fast and we

1087
00:41:00,950 --> 00:40:58,880
were out there flipping the frisbee and

1088
00:41:03,349 --> 00:41:00,960
we happened to look down and we're like

1089
00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:03,359
why is the dirt dry under us but

1090
00:41:08,069 --> 00:41:06,000
everything around us is like wet that

1091
00:41:10,150 --> 00:41:08,079
didn't make any sense to us

1092
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:10,160
and it was really cool because in this

1093
00:41:13,190 --> 00:41:12,000
in this briefing document it actually

1094
00:41:14,790 --> 00:41:13,200
actually no it wasn't in the briefing

1095
00:41:16,790 --> 00:41:14,800
document some it was in some of the

1096
00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:16,800
letters that were in the file but it

1097
00:41:19,829 --> 00:41:18,240
talks about that they

1098
00:41:21,670 --> 00:41:19,839
there were two of those circles on the

1099
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:21,680
property and it talks about that when

1100
00:41:24,950 --> 00:41:23,200
the researchers were out there there was

1101
00:41:28,390 --> 00:41:24,960
snow on the ground there were drops of

1102
00:41:30,550 --> 00:41:28,400
blood in the snow outside the dry

1103
00:41:32,309 --> 00:41:30,560
circle and the investigator in me goes

1104
00:41:33,990 --> 00:41:32,319
well maybe there was a missile silo or

1105
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:34,000
something sitting there there was never

1106
00:41:39,109 --> 00:41:35,920
a silo or anything sitting in these

1107
00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:39,119
locations so that's not an explanation i

1108
00:41:43,109 --> 00:41:40,480
don't know what those were but it was

1109
00:41:45,750 --> 00:41:43,119
really validating for me to actually see

1110
00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:45,760
the circumference of those and have them

1111
00:41:51,670 --> 00:41:48,400
mentioned in the reports that i found

1112
00:41:54,470 --> 00:41:51,680
also in the reports they talk about that

1113
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:54,480
night that i remember so vividly from my

1114
00:41:58,230 --> 00:41:56,880
childhood and my sister as well in fact

1115
00:41:59,990 --> 00:41:58,240
my sister came to one of my

1116
00:42:02,069 --> 00:42:00,000
presentations and actually heard me the

1117
00:42:04,309 --> 00:42:02,079
recreation i made of the sound and she

1118
00:42:07,109 --> 00:42:04,319
actually like had a ptsd reaction to it

1119
00:42:09,510 --> 00:42:07,119
started crying and everything it like

1120
00:42:11,750 --> 00:42:09,520
brought her back because here my sister

1121
00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:11,760
and i have these memories

1122
00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:13,200
that we've just kind of kept silent

1123
00:42:16,950 --> 00:42:14,880
because we were told not to ever talk

1124
00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:16,960
about it to anybody we never talked

1125
00:42:20,470 --> 00:42:18,960
about it to anybody

1126
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:20,480
when you had that bright light

1127
00:42:24,630 --> 00:42:22,800
experience was that the same night that

1128
00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:24,640
you left the property or was that a

1129
00:42:28,309 --> 00:42:26,400
different night

1130
00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:28,319
that was the same night of that voice

1131
00:42:32,790 --> 00:42:30,960
that like your friends will remain

1132
00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:32,800
silent concerning us yeah that was that

1133
00:42:35,750 --> 00:42:34,560
same night and then the other did you

1134
00:42:37,430 --> 00:42:35,760
ever see

1135
00:42:39,430 --> 00:42:37,440
i'm sorry

1136
00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:39,440
i just wondered did you ever see

1137
00:42:43,349 --> 00:42:41,280
anything like a craft or anything or was

1138
00:42:45,990 --> 00:42:43,359
it just the light i just saw the light i

1139
00:42:48,309 --> 00:42:46,000
didn't see a physical craft now and i

1140
00:42:51,349 --> 00:42:48,319
never saw any e.t beans either but they

1141
00:42:53,430 --> 00:42:51,359
were reported now the adults there

1142
00:42:55,990 --> 00:42:53,440
actually there's several witnesses that

1143
00:42:58,230 --> 00:42:56,000
reported seeing e.t beans there

1144
00:43:00,950 --> 00:42:58,240
and i never saw those with my eyes and i

1145
00:43:02,390 --> 00:43:00,960
never saw a bigfoot now my older sister

1146
00:43:04,230 --> 00:43:02,400
actually saw one of the bigfoot

1147
00:43:06,790 --> 00:43:04,240
creatures um she went with the oldest

1148
00:43:07,750 --> 00:43:06,800
son to the prom out there hold on

1149
00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:07,760
um

1150
00:43:11,349 --> 00:43:09,839
but what was fascinating so i don't

1151
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:11,359
remember how many years ago it's been

1152
00:43:15,990 --> 00:43:12,960
now it's probably been at least six

1153
00:43:16,870 --> 00:43:16,000
years ago now i was the colorado mufon

1154
00:43:18,550 --> 00:43:16,880
um

1155
00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:18,560
guest speaker coordinator and i had

1156
00:43:22,390 --> 00:43:20,640
invited this gentleman to come speak his

1157
00:43:25,349 --> 00:43:22,400
name sean bartok and he wrote a book

1158
00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:25,359
called flashbacks and it was about this

1159
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:29,040
property he had in castle rock colorado

1160
00:43:34,390 --> 00:43:31,920
and he had almost identical occurrences

1161
00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:34,400
as we we did on the ranch and i'm just

1162
00:43:39,990 --> 00:43:36,240
sitting there in the third row watching

1163
00:43:43,270 --> 00:43:40,000
his presentation and up pops a drawing

1164
00:43:45,910 --> 00:43:43,280
of an et bean that they had seen in the

1165
00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:45,920
early 70s so predates the ones that were

1166
00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:47,760
sketched in the files of dr leo

1167
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:49,440
sprinkles because when i went and got

1168
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:51,839
the files they had sketches of

1169
00:43:55,430 --> 00:43:53,520
one of the e.t beans that we're seeing

1170
00:43:56,390 --> 00:43:55,440
there so if you pull up

1171
00:43:59,109 --> 00:43:56,400
um

1172
00:44:01,430 --> 00:43:59,119
let's start with image

1173
00:44:02,790 --> 00:44:01,440
12. i'll start with 12.

1174
00:44:03,910 --> 00:44:02,800
because these are the concept of the

1175
00:44:06,150 --> 00:44:03,920
faces

1176
00:44:07,829 --> 00:44:06,160
so the one on the left is sean bartox

1177
00:44:09,910 --> 00:44:07,839
and the one on the right is the elbert

1178
00:44:11,589 --> 00:44:09,920
county ranch one that was in the files

1179
00:44:13,349 --> 00:44:11,599
now i don't know about you guys but the

1180
00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:13,359
heavy brow the wrinkles on the foreheads

1181
00:44:17,589 --> 00:44:15,040
the wrinkles around the mouth the shape

1182
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:17,599
of the eyes and then there's these tube

1183
00:44:20,710 --> 00:44:18,960
things okay

1184
00:44:23,190 --> 00:44:20,720
and what's interesting when sean talked

1185
00:44:25,430 --> 00:44:23,200
about the those tubes in that guy's neck

1186
00:44:28,630 --> 00:44:25,440
on the left they would spread out so if

1187
00:44:30,550 --> 00:44:28,640
you go to image 13

1188
00:44:32,630 --> 00:44:30,560
this is his drawing on the right with

1189
00:44:35,270 --> 00:44:32,640
the tube spread out and then the one on

1190
00:44:36,390 --> 00:44:35,280
the left is the one from kiowa ranch in

1191
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:36,400
albert county

1192
00:44:41,430 --> 00:44:38,640
and they're so similar

1193
00:44:43,750 --> 00:44:41,440
i i was just flabbergasted to learn that

1194
00:44:45,510 --> 00:44:43,760
these were like 14 miles apart from one

1195
00:44:47,349 --> 00:44:45,520
another and then one day i was at the

1196
00:44:48,630 --> 00:44:47,359
grocery store and there was a

1197
00:44:49,349 --> 00:44:48,640
article

1198
00:44:51,349 --> 00:44:49,359
or

1199
00:44:53,270 --> 00:44:51,359
an article on popular mechanics and they

1200
00:44:54,790 --> 00:44:53,280
talked about a.i

1201
00:44:56,630 --> 00:44:54,800
and you know they have like these tube

1202
00:44:59,589 --> 00:44:56,640
looking things you know and i thought

1203
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:59,599
could that et being be be like an ai

1204
00:45:05,589 --> 00:45:01,440
because it was very strange it was very

1205
00:45:07,349 --> 00:45:05,599
boxy had these spindly looking arms

1206
00:45:09,990 --> 00:45:07,359
and these weird

1207
00:45:10,950 --> 00:45:10,000
mechanical disappearing boxes and that

1208
00:45:13,349 --> 00:45:10,960
weird

1209
00:45:15,510 --> 00:45:13,359
mechanical sounding voice could that be

1210
00:45:17,510 --> 00:45:15,520
an ai type of being

1211
00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:17,520
and then the other type of being that

1212
00:45:21,990 --> 00:45:20,640
was reported on the property was like a

1213
00:45:29,349 --> 00:45:22,000
nordic

1214
00:45:31,750 --> 00:45:29,359
report that they were in conflict with

1215
00:45:33,670 --> 00:45:31,760
one another and like we were just like

1216
00:45:36,069 --> 00:45:33,680
in there like just don't mind us and we

1217
00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:36,079
won't mind you kind of deal

1218
00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:36,960
yeah

1219
00:45:39,349 --> 00:45:38,240
like fighting

1220
00:45:41,829 --> 00:45:39,359
yeah quickly

1221
00:45:43,349 --> 00:45:41,839
the palladians and whatever you know

1222
00:45:44,710 --> 00:45:43,359
yeah who knows now i didn't witness any

1223
00:45:46,710 --> 00:45:44,720
of that i'm just saying that's what was

1224
00:45:48,150 --> 00:45:46,720
reported yeah

1225
00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:48,160
yeah there's a couple of questions that

1226
00:45:52,550 --> 00:45:50,000
come in and and uh so have you ever

1227
00:45:55,829 --> 00:45:52,560
encountered the hat man i have i think i

1228
00:45:58,390 --> 00:45:55,839
heard nick redfern speak on that the hat

1229
00:46:00,790 --> 00:45:58,400
man are you familiar with what that is

1230
00:46:03,109 --> 00:46:00,800
i am familiar with you know the hat man

1231
00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:03,119
and no i thankfully haven't encountered

1232
00:46:06,470 --> 00:46:04,960
the hat man now i know there's you know

1233
00:46:07,270 --> 00:46:06,480
i think a lot of times ant-man is

1234
00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:07,280
looking

1235
00:46:10,790 --> 00:46:09,280
as looked at as kind of a negative being

1236
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:10,800
i don't think that's always been

1237
00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:12,960
reported to be the case but um i've

1238
00:46:16,630 --> 00:46:14,400
always sort of been thankful but i

1239
00:46:19,190 --> 00:46:16,640
haven't had encounters with the hat man

1240
00:46:21,349 --> 00:46:19,200
and in doing you know research you also

1241
00:46:23,430 --> 00:46:21,359
hear of this cloaked being almost like

1242
00:46:25,510 --> 00:46:23,440
the grim reaper type of a being that is

1243
00:46:26,950 --> 00:46:25,520
seen at some people's

1244
00:46:28,710 --> 00:46:26,960
you know foot of their beds or in their

1245
00:46:30,790 --> 00:46:28,720
bedrooms and i haven't seen the cloaked

1246
00:46:33,270 --> 00:46:30,800
one either

1247
00:46:36,069 --> 00:46:33,280
yeah yeah this all sounds scary to me

1248
00:46:37,270 --> 00:46:36,079
yeah it's just very tall shadowy

1249
00:46:38,710 --> 00:46:37,280
um

1250
00:46:39,510 --> 00:46:38,720
figures and

1251
00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:39,520
and i

1252
00:46:45,829 --> 00:46:43,200
i you know my my father um his third

1253
00:46:46,950 --> 00:46:45,839
wife midge passed away in this house and

1254
00:46:49,750 --> 00:46:46,960
that

1255
00:46:51,430 --> 00:46:49,760
and my dad my dad was a person who you

1256
00:46:53,589 --> 00:46:51,440
know when you die you're dirt he really

1257
00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:53,599
didn't believe in anything okay

1258
00:46:58,470 --> 00:46:55,680
and so after his wife passed away in

1259
00:47:00,230 --> 00:46:58,480
this house midge was her name

1260
00:47:01,190 --> 00:47:00,240
she had an asthma attack and passed in

1261
00:47:03,349 --> 00:47:01,200
the house

1262
00:47:05,750 --> 00:47:03,359
things started well here's what my dad

1263
00:47:08,069 --> 00:47:05,760
did my dad loved the ladies so like not

1264
00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:08,079
even a month passed he met another woman

1265
00:47:11,349 --> 00:47:10,400
they actually got married in midge's

1266
00:47:13,829 --> 00:47:11,359
house

1267
00:47:16,309 --> 00:47:13,839
and my dad but yeah my dad would open

1268
00:47:18,309 --> 00:47:16,319
the freezer and he used to frost frost

1269
00:47:19,829 --> 00:47:18,319
his beer mugs he was like a pap's blue

1270
00:47:21,430 --> 00:47:19,839
ribbon drinker right and he would he

1271
00:47:22,790 --> 00:47:21,440
would frost dad if you're listening i'm

1272
00:47:24,549 --> 00:47:22,800
sorry but

1273
00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:24,559
he would frost his mugs and they would

1274
00:47:28,950 --> 00:47:26,960
like fly out and shatter

1275
00:47:31,190 --> 00:47:28,960
he would hear footsteps

1276
00:47:33,030 --> 00:47:31,200
closet doors would open and close light

1277
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:33,040
bulbs would shatter like i think she was

1278
00:47:37,349 --> 00:47:35,760
like angry so anyway long story short my

1279
00:47:39,270 --> 00:47:37,359
dad moves out of this house we called it

1280
00:47:41,670 --> 00:47:39,280
the ogden house because it was on ogden

1281
00:47:43,349 --> 00:47:41,680
street and me and my husband and my

1282
00:47:45,589 --> 00:47:43,359
young son at the time moved into this

1283
00:47:47,349 --> 00:47:45,599
house for a while nothing happened for a

1284
00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:47,359
while until we had to move out because

1285
00:47:51,670 --> 00:47:49,680
they were going to sell it then things

1286
00:47:53,430 --> 00:47:51,680
started happening and i remember being

1287
00:47:55,430 --> 00:47:53,440
afraid of this closet

1288
00:47:56,790 --> 00:47:55,440
and uh i was trying to get my guts up

1289
00:47:58,630 --> 00:47:56,800
because my son's stuff was in there and

1290
00:48:01,670 --> 00:47:58,640
i walk in the room to open the closet

1291
00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:01,680
door and it just shu opened right for me

1292
00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:02,880
and i was like

1293
00:48:06,390 --> 00:48:05,040
no but so that to me was haunted by like

1294
00:48:09,349 --> 00:48:06,400
a human spirit

1295
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:09,359
you know and i i i really do like the

1296
00:48:13,510 --> 00:48:11,280
paranormal and i i've done you know the

1297
00:48:14,790 --> 00:48:13,520
stanley hotel and the saint augustine

1298
00:48:16,309 --> 00:48:14,800
lighthouse i've done some of those

1299
00:48:18,790 --> 00:48:16,319
excursions with the ghost hunters and

1300
00:48:21,430 --> 00:48:18,800
stuff which was great

1301
00:48:24,710 --> 00:48:21,440
but there's a difference between these

1302
00:48:26,230 --> 00:48:24,720
e.t shadow beings whatever they are

1303
00:48:29,109 --> 00:48:26,240
and like

1304
00:48:31,430 --> 00:48:29,119
human ghost spirits like uncle

1305
00:48:33,829 --> 00:48:31,440
joe or brother or dad or you know

1306
00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:33,839
whatever to me there's a difference and

1307
00:48:39,109 --> 00:48:36,000
you could tell the difference

1308
00:48:39,910 --> 00:48:39,119
so is the stanley hotel is that in estes

1309
00:48:40,710 --> 00:48:39,920
park

1310
00:48:43,349 --> 00:48:40,720
yes

1311
00:48:44,549 --> 00:48:43,359
um did that have anything to do with the

1312
00:48:45,990 --> 00:48:44,559
shining

1313
00:48:48,870 --> 00:48:46,000
well they they

1314
00:48:50,710 --> 00:48:48,880
you know stephen it was kind of based

1315
00:48:52,950 --> 00:48:50,720
that he had experiences there in his

1316
00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:52,960
room and they actually filmed it i think

1317
00:48:58,230 --> 00:48:55,920
it was in a hotel in utah actually was

1318
00:48:59,430 --> 00:48:58,240
it in utah um but they didn't film it at

1319
00:49:01,510 --> 00:48:59,440
the stanley but it was definitely

1320
00:49:03,510 --> 00:49:01,520
inspired by the stanley that's right in

1321
00:49:05,190 --> 00:49:03,520
fact yeah and what's what's interesting

1322
00:49:07,109 --> 00:49:05,200
about i have a funny stanley story if i

1323
00:49:08,549 --> 00:49:07,119
could share it sure um

1324
00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:08,559
there's actually on my website katie

1325
00:49:11,990 --> 00:49:10,480
grabowski.com if you go the paranormal

1326
00:49:13,670 --> 00:49:12,000
tab there's some footage interesting

1327
00:49:14,390 --> 00:49:13,680
footage my son took he was there with

1328
00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:14,400
his

1329
00:49:21,430 --> 00:49:19,920
unusual activity but my husband one year

1330
00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:21,440
um

1331
00:49:25,750 --> 00:49:23,520
got us the stanley the stephen king room

1332
00:49:27,190 --> 00:49:25,760
to stay in for our anniversary and i

1333
00:49:28,950 --> 00:49:27,200
thought i would be really terrified of

1334
00:49:31,270 --> 00:49:28,960
it and i wasn't i actually took a bath

1335
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:31,280
in the claw tub and everything it seemed

1336
00:49:36,309 --> 00:49:34,319
okay to me but i had a blast

1337
00:49:37,829 --> 00:49:36,319
um people would come up to the door and

1338
00:49:40,230 --> 00:49:37,839
they like getting their pictures by the

1339
00:49:41,829 --> 00:49:40,240
door the stephen king and i would jiggle

1340
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:41,839
the chain or jiggle the handle and

1341
00:49:46,309 --> 00:49:44,400
they'd go

1342
00:49:48,150 --> 00:49:46,319
i had the best time for like two hours

1343
00:49:50,549 --> 00:49:48,160
kind of messing with people at the

1344
00:49:52,470 --> 00:49:50,559
stanley hotel so just know if you ever

1345
00:49:54,309 --> 00:49:52,480
go visit and that happens it could be a

1346
00:49:56,309 --> 00:49:54,319
human person on the other side of that

1347
00:49:58,710 --> 00:49:56,319
door messing with you they had a lot of

1348
00:50:01,270 --> 00:49:58,720
fun you do run it out i can i'm going to

1349
00:50:03,430 --> 00:50:01,280
see if i can actually i might be able to

1350
00:50:06,069 --> 00:50:03,440
pull that up

1351
00:50:08,470 --> 00:50:06,079
let's see if i can do that

1352
00:50:11,270 --> 00:50:08,480
oh yeah this is it so okay yeah so this

1353
00:50:13,190 --> 00:50:11,280
is my son and he noticed that the door

1354
00:50:14,069 --> 00:50:13,200
was kind of open and not a not a windy

1355
00:50:17,349 --> 00:50:14,079
day

1356
00:50:19,109 --> 00:50:17,359
um again my son's a big skeptic too

1357
00:50:20,549 --> 00:50:19,119
and it's weird because i see a shadow

1358
00:50:22,790 --> 00:50:20,559
there at the end almost like it's

1359
00:50:24,790 --> 00:50:22,800
holding the door handle that's what i

1360
00:50:27,349 --> 00:50:24,800
see when i really zoom in and look at it

1361
00:50:29,349 --> 00:50:27,359
closely i almost see

1362
00:50:31,270 --> 00:50:29,359
um what looks to be like somebody

1363
00:50:32,710 --> 00:50:31,280
holding the door handle so we can watch

1364
00:50:38,950 --> 00:50:32,720
this really quick it's kind of cool what

1365
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:44,230
he's like why isn't that moving anymore

1366
00:50:44,240 --> 00:50:49,670
so he's gonna walk in a little closer

1367
00:50:54,630 --> 00:50:52,470
okay so this is only uh a minute

1368
00:51:04,710 --> 00:50:54,640
video just for those one who may be

1369
00:51:07,830 --> 00:51:06,390
oh there it goes

1370
00:51:13,270 --> 00:51:07,840
wow

1371
00:51:17,670 --> 00:51:15,990
it freaked him out yeah i'll say that's

1372
00:51:19,670 --> 00:51:17,680
great yeah

1373
00:51:22,069 --> 00:51:19,680
interesting wow

1374
00:51:24,390 --> 00:51:22,079
um so someone getting back to those

1375
00:51:25,829 --> 00:51:24,400
rings that you mentioned uh fred wanted

1376
00:51:28,470 --> 00:51:25,839
to know what was the condition of the

1377
00:51:29,910 --> 00:51:28,480
earth and the bare spots in other words

1378
00:51:31,829 --> 00:51:29,920
was it right

1379
00:51:33,270 --> 00:51:31,839
it was

1380
00:51:38,230 --> 00:51:33,280
undisturbed

1381
00:51:39,990 --> 00:51:38,240
circles um but no vegetation and you

1382
00:51:41,910 --> 00:51:40,000
know i've looked you know in google

1383
00:51:44,710 --> 00:51:41,920
earth you can go back and kind of go

1384
00:51:46,870 --> 00:51:44,720
back in time and i'm trying to see if i

1385
00:51:48,870 --> 00:51:46,880
could see where they are so eventually

1386
00:51:50,710 --> 00:51:48,880
vegetation came back but in these

1387
00:51:53,430 --> 00:51:50,720
reports it does state it stayed that way

1388
00:51:55,270 --> 00:51:53,440
for a few years where nothing would grow

1389
00:51:57,270 --> 00:51:55,280
water wouldn't retain

1390
00:51:58,870 --> 00:51:57,280
and it's interesting too who was i i

1391
00:52:01,270 --> 00:51:58,880
think chris diperno

1392
00:52:03,670 --> 00:52:01,280
uh maybe it was debbie zieglemeyer

1393
00:52:05,109 --> 00:52:03,680
they were talking about this

1394
00:52:08,069 --> 00:52:05,119
basically

1395
00:52:09,349 --> 00:52:08,079
circle in the water like where it's ice

1396
00:52:10,790 --> 00:52:09,359
in the ice

1397
00:52:12,150 --> 00:52:10,800
yeah it spins

1398
00:52:13,430 --> 00:52:12,160
yeah yeah that's thinner

1399
00:52:15,670 --> 00:52:13,440
phenomenon

1400
00:52:18,630 --> 00:52:15,680
yeah it's something similar to that but

1401
00:52:21,349 --> 00:52:18,640
on dirt so nothing would grow

1402
00:52:22,790 --> 00:52:21,359
no it wouldn't retain water or moisture

1403
00:52:25,270 --> 00:52:22,800
very odd

1404
00:52:27,510 --> 00:52:25,280
very strange so let's talk about you had

1405
00:52:30,710 --> 00:52:27,520
some type of symptoms so what do you

1406
00:52:32,710 --> 00:52:30,720
attribute these symptoms to the to the

1407
00:52:35,030 --> 00:52:32,720
experience at the ranch

1408
00:52:37,910 --> 00:52:35,040
i didn't used to but i do now and in

1409
00:52:39,829 --> 00:52:37,920
that blue orb experience that was really

1410
00:52:41,349 --> 00:52:39,839
fast so that was me during the ranch so

1411
00:52:42,630 --> 00:52:41,359
that those are pictures of me during

1412
00:52:45,190 --> 00:52:42,640
that time

1413
00:52:46,950 --> 00:52:45,200
um that up that one on the far side

1414
00:52:49,589 --> 00:52:46,960
there kind of haunts me a little bit

1415
00:52:51,990 --> 00:52:49,599
because that's kind of how i felt often

1416
00:52:54,950 --> 00:52:52,000
just sort of very pensive there yeah

1417
00:52:58,309 --> 00:52:54,960
yeah exactly but that blue orb incident

1418
00:52:59,829 --> 00:52:58,319
happened so i started kind of reopening

1419
00:53:01,750 --> 00:52:59,839
i you know i hate to use the term

1420
00:53:03,910 --> 00:53:01,760
pandora's box but the pandora's back on

1421
00:53:04,790 --> 00:53:03,920
the ranch in 2013

1422
00:53:08,069 --> 00:53:04,800
and

1423
00:53:09,589 --> 00:53:08,079
um i'm happily i journaled about this

1424
00:53:11,750 --> 00:53:09,599
incident because i had forgotten all the

1425
00:53:13,349 --> 00:53:11,760
pieces of it

1426
00:53:15,670 --> 00:53:13,359
but basically

1427
00:53:17,589 --> 00:53:15,680
i was woken up my boys i have five kids

1428
00:53:21,030 --> 00:53:17,599
four boys and a girl and my boys were in

1429
00:53:23,430 --> 00:53:21,040
their lego years and i had a lego bucket

1430
00:53:24,870 --> 00:53:23,440
in my bedroom the lego bucket fell over

1431
00:53:28,390 --> 00:53:24,880
in the middle of the night and woke me

1432
00:53:31,270 --> 00:53:28,400
up and i wake up and in the corner of my

1433
00:53:33,030 --> 00:53:31,280
room is this basketball sized blue orb

1434
00:53:34,870 --> 00:53:33,040
and i just remember it being lighter on

1435
00:53:37,430 --> 00:53:34,880
the outside and a little more dense on

1436
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:37,440
the inside and i'm elbowing steve i'm

1437
00:53:40,549 --> 00:53:38,880
like get up get up

1438
00:53:43,349 --> 00:53:40,559
what is this in our room what is this in

1439
00:53:45,589 --> 00:53:43,359
our room he wakes up and is he's kind of

1440
00:53:48,309 --> 00:53:45,599
adjusting like what the heck it just it

1441
00:53:51,190 --> 00:53:48,319
dissipated and what's fascinating about

1442
00:53:52,870 --> 00:53:51,200
that too is as that's occurring the auto

1443
00:53:55,510 --> 00:53:52,880
light from the people that live behind

1444
00:53:57,109 --> 00:53:55,520
us it was going on and of course we're

1445
00:53:58,950 --> 00:53:57,119
getting we could get up or like what the

1446
00:54:00,630 --> 00:53:58,960
heck's going on and it did that like a

1447
00:54:02,230 --> 00:54:00,640
couple times the auto light would go off

1448
00:54:04,309 --> 00:54:02,240
on off

1449
00:54:07,030 --> 00:54:04,319
so i don't know what that basketball

1450
00:54:07,910 --> 00:54:07,040
blue orb was but interesting when i was

1451
00:54:10,150 --> 00:54:07,920
reading

1452
00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:10,160
skinwalkers at the pentagon i don't know

1453
00:54:15,670 --> 00:54:12,720
oh right here i just again synchronicity

1454
00:54:18,470 --> 00:54:15,680
i literally just open open to the page i

1455
00:54:19,670 --> 00:54:18,480
open to the page and so listen to what

1456
00:54:21,589 --> 00:54:19,680
it says here

1457
00:54:23,349 --> 00:54:21,599
it says um

1458
00:54:25,270 --> 00:54:23,359
it talks about

1459
00:54:27,990 --> 00:54:25,280
let's see the air force programs on

1460
00:54:29,990 --> 00:54:28,000
micro uavs and how these micro uavs

1461
00:54:32,309 --> 00:54:30,000
could easily be mistaken for non-human

1462
00:54:34,470 --> 00:54:32,319
technology without divulging any

1463
00:54:37,030 --> 00:54:34,480
classified information hennessey

1464
00:54:39,990 --> 00:54:37,040
appeared to be warning his

1465
00:54:41,750 --> 00:54:40,000
inter locator not to automatically

1466
00:54:43,670 --> 00:54:41,760
assume that

1467
00:54:45,750 --> 00:54:43,680
that all very advanced looking

1468
00:54:47,910 --> 00:54:45,760
technology was non-human

1469
00:54:50,950 --> 00:54:47,920
and they were warning bass not to over

1470
00:54:53,109 --> 00:54:50,960
interpret the plethora of emergent data

1471
00:54:55,349 --> 00:54:53,119
on orbs and specifically he was talking

1472
00:54:57,510 --> 00:54:55,359
about these blue orbs and

1473
00:54:59,589 --> 00:54:57,520
in other words don't automatically

1474
00:55:01,349 --> 00:54:59,599
assume they're not ours they could be

1475
00:55:03,190 --> 00:55:01,359
something

1476
00:55:05,109 --> 00:55:03,200
that we have and if that's the case what

1477
00:55:06,789 --> 00:55:05,119
are they doing in my bedroom at night

1478
00:55:09,270 --> 00:55:06,799
you know kind of right

1479
00:55:11,190 --> 00:55:09,280
it's it's strange how you hear

1480
00:55:13,349 --> 00:55:11,200
about the different color orbs the

1481
00:55:17,109 --> 00:55:13,359
orange orb is is

1482
00:55:19,589 --> 00:55:17,119
pretty popular and uh i had um

1483
00:55:22,470 --> 00:55:19,599
a an air force a former air force pilot

1484
00:55:23,430 --> 00:55:22,480
of an f-16 at the time

1485
00:55:25,910 --> 00:55:23,440
um

1486
00:55:28,309 --> 00:55:25,920
i was sitting next to on a flight and

1487
00:55:30,230 --> 00:55:28,319
got into the topic of ufos he said he

1488
00:55:33,109 --> 00:55:30,240
knew that they were real and he was

1489
00:55:35,750 --> 00:55:33,119
followed for over 300 miles

1490
00:55:38,150 --> 00:55:35,760
by a green orb breaker lean orb that lit

1491
00:55:39,990 --> 00:55:38,160
up his whole cockpit yeah i heard that

1492
00:55:42,390 --> 00:55:40,000
too and i've heard too that like the

1493
00:55:44,309 --> 00:55:42,400
blue orb some people say that blue orbs

1494
00:55:46,390 --> 00:55:44,319
can be very healing

1495
00:55:48,309 --> 00:55:46,400
um and and other people say that they

1496
00:55:51,190 --> 00:55:48,319
can harm you so i don't know which is

1497
00:55:53,109 --> 00:55:51,200
true um but i do know i experienced that

1498
00:55:56,390 --> 00:55:53,119
blue orb in my bedroom i'll never forget

1499
00:55:58,150 --> 00:55:56,400
it and i don't know what that was

1500
00:56:00,150 --> 00:55:58,160
i have no idea but i'm glad i had

1501
00:56:02,950 --> 00:56:00,160
another witness to it because it's you

1502
00:56:05,109 --> 00:56:02,960
know sounds unbelievable it's really you

1503
00:56:07,670 --> 00:56:05,119
know one of the things that i i think is

1504
00:56:09,990 --> 00:56:07,680
very interesting is that

1505
00:56:10,710 --> 00:56:10,000
um we you brought up i can't remember

1506
00:56:12,710 --> 00:56:10,720
what

1507
00:56:13,829 --> 00:56:12,720
number the map was

1508
00:56:17,109 --> 00:56:13,839
number five

1509
00:56:20,789 --> 00:56:17,119
and so

1510
00:56:23,510 --> 00:56:20,799
uh of all the military bases that are so

1511
00:56:25,829 --> 00:56:23,520
close there and that seems like a common

1512
00:56:27,510 --> 00:56:25,839
denominator to a lot of these places

1513
00:56:29,670 --> 00:56:27,520
where a lot of things happen

1514
00:56:33,109 --> 00:56:29,680
i'm not saying that it's necessarily

1515
00:56:34,230 --> 00:56:33,119
military what is going on there but it

1516
00:56:38,870 --> 00:56:34,240
just

1517
00:56:41,589 --> 00:56:38,880
denominator to a lot of these places it

1518
00:56:43,990 --> 00:56:41,599
does and it really makes you wonder and

1519
00:56:45,750 --> 00:56:44,000
as you know when you talk about the

1520
00:56:47,990 --> 00:56:45,760
black helicopters i don't know if you

1521
00:56:50,230 --> 00:56:48,000
said black helicopters but helicopters

1522
00:56:53,190 --> 00:56:50,240
in general you know that makes sense

1523
00:56:55,750 --> 00:56:53,200
that it's you know military can be

1524
00:56:59,990 --> 00:56:55,760
scared up pretty quickly to send out

1525
00:57:02,549 --> 00:57:00,000
those but um it is it is odd

1526
00:57:04,309 --> 00:57:02,559
and i wonder what what the connection is

1527
00:57:06,150 --> 00:57:04,319
is it one

1528
00:57:07,349 --> 00:57:06,160
chasing the other or the other chasing

1529
00:57:09,990 --> 00:57:07,359
the other do you know what i mean is

1530
00:57:13,270 --> 00:57:10,000
that you talked about the magnetic

1531
00:57:16,549 --> 00:57:13,280
um situation there and and by the way is

1532
00:57:18,789 --> 00:57:16,559
that did you say that as a high level

1533
00:57:20,630 --> 00:57:18,799
in that area in particular that yeah

1534
00:57:22,870 --> 00:57:20,640
yeah all of these high strangers

1535
00:57:24,549 --> 00:57:22,880
locations like peak it's like if you go

1536
00:57:26,630 --> 00:57:24,559
to the maps it's the lightest shade of

1537
00:57:28,950 --> 00:57:26,640
pink and they're all highly highly

1538
00:57:30,870 --> 00:57:28,960
highly magnetic areas so

1539
00:57:32,870 --> 00:57:30,880
you know i don't know and that's always

1540
00:57:35,910 --> 00:57:32,880
been my question the chicken or the egg

1541
00:57:39,430 --> 00:57:35,920
are they out there causing investigating

1542
00:57:40,549 --> 00:57:39,440
or or what i mean and i really believe

1543
00:57:42,950 --> 00:57:40,559
and i know

1544
00:57:44,470 --> 00:57:42,960
we're all wanting simple explanations

1545
00:57:48,150 --> 00:57:44,480
but just like with the cattle

1546
00:57:49,829 --> 00:57:48,160
mutilations it's hard to say well yep 80

1547
00:57:51,510 --> 00:57:49,839
of them are this but that leaves some of

1548
00:57:53,670 --> 00:57:51,520
them that aren't and you know not

1549
00:57:56,069 --> 00:57:53,680
everything fits neatly into one little

1550
00:57:58,870 --> 00:57:56,079
basket and i think that's the case out

1551
00:58:02,309 --> 00:57:58,880
there on the ranch property i think both

1552
00:58:03,829 --> 00:58:02,319
things were happening at the same time

1553
00:58:05,750 --> 00:58:03,839
so

1554
00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:05,760
and what what about um

1555
00:58:10,390 --> 00:58:08,000
you mentioned this bright light were

1556
00:58:13,030 --> 00:58:10,400
there other people that talked about

1557
00:58:15,589 --> 00:58:13,040
ufos occurring in that general area oh

1558
00:58:17,430 --> 00:58:15,599
yeah they talk extensively about the

1559
00:58:18,789 --> 00:58:17,440
the neighbor lady had seen light for

1560
00:58:21,109 --> 00:58:18,799
years there

1561
00:58:22,710 --> 00:58:21,119
um neighbors were reported being chased

1562
00:58:25,270 --> 00:58:22,720
by kraft

1563
00:58:28,309 --> 00:58:25,280
again my witness that i talked to in

1564
00:58:30,630 --> 00:58:28,319
wyoming that had the picture of the calf

1565
00:58:33,030 --> 00:58:30,640
she had a really interesting story and

1566
00:58:36,470 --> 00:58:33,040
as an investigator and for those that

1567
00:58:38,230 --> 00:58:36,480
are out there that are listening um one

1568
00:58:39,349 --> 00:58:38,240
one thing that

1569
00:58:41,030 --> 00:58:39,359
it's

1570
00:58:43,270 --> 00:58:41,040
you could tell if somebody's kind of

1571
00:58:45,109 --> 00:58:43,280
being genuine when they they're like oh

1572
00:58:46,309 --> 00:58:45,119
yeah this is how come i remember this so

1573
00:58:48,150 --> 00:58:46,319
clearly and

1574
00:58:50,390 --> 00:58:48,160
she did not have her driver's license

1575
00:58:52,549 --> 00:58:50,400
yet she had her driver's permit her and

1576
00:58:55,109 --> 00:58:52,559
her friends were coming back from a 4-h

1577
00:58:57,030 --> 00:58:55,119
like a 4-h event or something like that

1578
00:58:58,789 --> 00:58:57,040
it was dark out you know they live out

1579
00:59:01,829 --> 00:58:58,799
there in very rural area out there in

1580
00:59:03,990 --> 00:59:01,839
kiowa and they see what appears to be

1581
00:59:06,870 --> 00:59:04,000
like the sun on the ground it wasn't a

1582
00:59:08,789 --> 00:59:06,880
helicopter no noise no nothing

1583
00:59:09,750 --> 00:59:08,799
kind of like what i saw out the window

1584
00:59:11,589 --> 00:59:09,760
okay

1585
00:59:14,230 --> 00:59:11,599
she described it as the sun sitting on

1586
00:59:16,309 --> 00:59:14,240
the ground her mother pulls the car over

1587
00:59:20,549 --> 00:59:16,319
and is witnessing this thing and this is

1588
00:59:22,549 --> 00:59:20,559
high mutilation time this is you know

1589
00:59:24,870 --> 00:59:22,559
bill wahl's out there in plains all the

1590
00:59:26,789 --> 00:59:24,880
time george yarnell's in out there in

1591
00:59:28,390 --> 00:59:26,799
airplanes people are actively looking

1592
00:59:30,789 --> 00:59:28,400
there's a ten thousand dollar reward

1593
00:59:32,150 --> 00:59:30,799
from the cattlemen's association peop

1594
00:59:33,589 --> 00:59:32,160
this is what another a lot of people

1595
00:59:35,109 --> 00:59:33,599
don't understand too

1596
00:59:37,990 --> 00:59:35,119
with these mutilations that were

1597
00:59:39,430 --> 00:59:38,000
happening people were like actively

1598
00:59:41,190 --> 00:59:39,440
seeking these people out it was

1599
00:59:43,510 --> 00:59:41,200
happening so often people were so

1600
00:59:45,910 --> 00:59:43,520
frightening there's a 10 000 reward this

1601
00:59:47,750 --> 00:59:45,920
is in the late 70s that's a lot of money

1602
00:59:50,069 --> 00:59:47,760
so people are not sleeping at night

1603
00:59:52,390 --> 00:59:50,079
looking for the perpetrators right they

1604
00:59:55,510 --> 00:59:52,400
would see military they would see these

1605
00:59:56,789 --> 00:59:55,520
people do this right and so she pulls

1606
00:59:59,750 --> 00:59:56,799
over the car

1607
01:00:02,069 --> 00:59:59,760
and she remembers very vividly this lit

1608
01:00:05,109 --> 01:00:02,079
ramp coming out of the craft

1609
01:00:07,589 --> 01:00:05,119
okay the the the ramp comes up and in

1610
01:00:08,870 --> 01:00:07,599
her mind in her 15 year old mind she's

1611
01:00:11,109 --> 01:00:08,880
thinking oh that's how they're taking

1612
01:00:12,950 --> 01:00:11,119
the cattle they're taking them on board

1613
01:00:15,270 --> 01:00:12,960
going up doing surgery and then dropping

1614
01:00:16,950 --> 01:00:15,280
them and they look and the thing just

1615
01:00:18,549 --> 01:00:16,960
shoots off at a 90 degree angle it's

1616
01:00:20,789 --> 01:00:18,559
gone they call bill wall they called the

1617
01:00:23,270 --> 01:00:20,799
sheriff they sheriff went actively

1618
01:00:25,670 --> 01:00:23,280
looking didn't find anything and this

1619
01:00:28,309 --> 01:00:25,680
stuck so vividly in her mind because her

1620
01:00:30,470 --> 01:00:28,319
mom was so upset by this encounter she

1621
01:00:32,549 --> 01:00:30,480
had to drive home and she didn't have

1622
01:00:34,230 --> 01:00:32,559
her license it's late at night her mom's

1623
01:00:35,270 --> 01:00:34,240
hysterical her friends are in the back

1624
01:00:37,030 --> 01:00:35,280
of the car

1625
01:00:39,349 --> 01:00:37,040
i mean she will never forget this

1626
01:00:40,630 --> 01:00:39,359
experience you know and that was not the

1627
01:00:43,750 --> 01:00:40,640
military

1628
01:00:45,510 --> 01:00:43,760
that's amazing now um i had

1629
01:00:47,990 --> 01:00:45,520
i i just spoke about this gentleman i

1630
01:00:50,470 --> 01:00:48,000
think a couple days ago i had mario

1631
01:00:51,990 --> 01:00:50,480
woods had an encounter in south dakota

1632
01:00:54,390 --> 01:00:52,000
over a missile

1633
01:00:56,950 --> 01:00:54,400
site um he was in security in the

1634
01:00:59,349 --> 01:00:56,960
military and he said that it looked like

1635
01:01:01,030 --> 01:00:59,359
a sun sitting right over the

1636
01:01:02,950 --> 01:01:01,040
the missile site

1637
01:01:05,349 --> 01:01:02,960
right above it that's how he described

1638
01:01:07,030 --> 01:01:05,359
it which uh and that's only the second

1639
01:01:07,910 --> 01:01:07,040
time i've heard someone describe it like

1640
01:01:08,829 --> 01:01:07,920
that

1641
01:01:11,190 --> 01:01:08,839
again

1642
01:01:12,870 --> 01:01:11,200
synchronicities yeah

1643
01:01:15,109 --> 01:01:12,880
and that's the other thing you know bill

1644
01:01:16,390 --> 01:01:15,119
wall and george arnell the sheriff's at

1645
01:01:19,270 --> 01:01:16,400
the time and you know i learned this

1646
01:01:21,270 --> 01:01:19,280
from his son and his and his wife um

1647
01:01:23,589 --> 01:01:21,280
gene that you know they they were

1648
01:01:26,069 --> 01:01:23,599
working together with other states this

1649
01:01:27,829 --> 01:01:26,079
was not just exclusively happening in

1650
01:01:31,750 --> 01:01:27,839
colorado

1651
01:01:33,910 --> 01:01:31,760
this was happening in montana wyoming

1652
01:01:35,030 --> 01:01:33,920
kansas nebraska

1653
01:01:38,549 --> 01:01:35,040
texas

1654
01:01:40,390 --> 01:01:38,559
utah you know all across the midwest and

1655
01:01:43,109 --> 01:01:40,400
so they were working with one another

1656
01:01:45,270 --> 01:01:43,119
they had a big map in the police station

1657
01:01:47,190 --> 01:01:45,280
and they were tracking you know when

1658
01:01:49,030 --> 01:01:47,200
these cattle were found they were trying

1659
01:01:50,789 --> 01:01:49,040
to pinpoint it as closely as they could

1660
01:01:52,230 --> 01:01:50,799
when they were occurring and they were

1661
01:01:54,390 --> 01:01:52,240
often times that these things were

1662
01:01:56,870 --> 01:01:54,400
occurring very close to one another in

1663
01:01:58,150 --> 01:01:56,880
different states um colorado was the

1664
01:02:02,710 --> 01:01:58,160
hardest hit

1665
01:02:05,029 --> 01:02:02,720
still of all these places and same with

1666
01:02:06,710 --> 01:02:05,039
the menacing strange helicopters if you

1667
01:02:08,870 --> 01:02:06,720
get that little book i talked about the

1668
01:02:10,549 --> 01:02:08,880
choppers and the choppers they actually

1669
01:02:12,710 --> 01:02:10,559
look at like

1670
01:02:14,870 --> 01:02:12,720
what what day of the week are these

1671
01:02:17,750 --> 01:02:14,880
occurring in mostly what months of the

1672
01:02:19,990 --> 01:02:17,760
year what states and again these copter

1673
01:02:22,470 --> 01:02:20,000
sightings were clear across the midwest

1674
01:02:23,750 --> 01:02:22,480
and colorado was the hardest hit now why

1675
01:02:26,069 --> 01:02:23,760
i don't know

1676
01:02:28,069 --> 01:02:26,079
same with these saints strange sasquatch

1677
01:02:30,630 --> 01:02:28,079
creatures if you bring up

1678
01:02:33,270 --> 01:02:30,640
um i don't do we need to take a break

1679
01:02:35,190 --> 01:02:33,280
no no no we'll go about another 15 20

1680
01:02:37,510 --> 01:02:35,200
minutes something like that okay so if

1681
01:02:38,710 --> 01:02:37,520
you bring up um

1682
01:02:40,870 --> 01:02:38,720
number 10

1683
01:02:42,150 --> 01:02:40,880
this is really interesting

1684
01:02:44,630 --> 01:02:42,160
again

1685
01:02:46,789 --> 01:02:44,640
the one drawing on the right

1686
01:02:48,549 --> 01:02:46,799
was in dr leo sprinkles files of the

1687
01:02:49,750 --> 01:02:48,559
creatures that were spotted

1688
01:02:51,349 --> 01:02:49,760
um

1689
01:02:54,390 --> 01:02:51,359
out there in kiowa

1690
01:02:56,710 --> 01:02:54,400
and the one on the left was out of

1691
01:02:59,270 --> 01:02:56,720
montana and this is a letter or an email

1692
01:03:01,589 --> 01:02:59,280
i got from bob salas um

1693
01:03:04,230 --> 01:03:01,599
and basically i yeah i saw bob in

1694
01:03:05,670 --> 01:03:04,240
laughlin and he basically and if you can

1695
01:03:08,870 --> 01:03:05,680
leave it up so i can read it it just

1696
01:03:11,270 --> 01:03:08,880
says i will confirm to you that in 1996

1697
01:03:13,510 --> 01:03:11,280
i was in contact with the widow of i

1698
01:03:15,990 --> 01:03:13,520
reducted the name sans sans was a deputy

1699
01:03:18,470 --> 01:03:16,000
sheriff for cascade county montana near

1700
01:03:20,789 --> 01:03:18,480
great falls in the 70s

1701
01:03:23,109 --> 01:03:20,799
in one letter she states he also served

1702
01:03:25,109 --> 01:03:23,119
on a special team secretly funded by the

1703
01:03:27,510 --> 01:03:25,119
department of agriculture which is

1704
01:03:29,510 --> 01:03:27,520
interesting because um dodie mentioned

1705
01:03:31,349 --> 01:03:29,520
that if i need it to foia i should for

1706
01:03:33,349 --> 01:03:31,359
you that the purpose of which was to

1707
01:03:35,270 --> 01:03:33,359
turn to determine the cause of many

1708
01:03:37,829 --> 01:03:35,280
cattle mutilations ufo sightings and

1709
01:03:40,390 --> 01:03:37,839
bigfoot reports he was asked by he was

1710
01:03:42,069 --> 01:03:40,400
asked many times

1711
01:03:45,029 --> 01:03:42,079
to take polygraph tests of airmen

1712
01:03:47,109 --> 01:03:45,039
stationed at melmstrom who had seen ufos

1713
01:03:50,470 --> 01:03:47,119
and one letter she states

1714
01:03:52,710 --> 01:03:50,480
i am an artist and in 1977 so the same

1715
01:03:54,230 --> 01:03:52,720
time as the ranch they were called to

1716
01:03:56,069 --> 01:03:54,240
the sheriff's office to draw a picture

1717
01:03:57,589 --> 01:03:56,079
of the bigfoot from an eyewitness who

1718
01:03:59,910 --> 01:03:57,599
passed the polygraph this is

1719
01:04:02,230 --> 01:03:59,920
confirmation for your story and then he

1720
01:04:04,710 --> 01:04:02,240
recommended the book mystery strikes the

1721
01:04:07,510 --> 01:04:04,720
stocks the prairie which i bought really

1722
01:04:09,829 --> 01:04:07,520
great book um it was great speaking with

1723
01:04:11,270 --> 01:04:09,839
you best wishes bob solis and so the one

1724
01:04:13,750 --> 01:04:11,280
on the left is

1725
01:04:16,390 --> 01:04:13,760
again 1977

1726
01:04:18,069 --> 01:04:16,400
a ufo bigfoot you know connection and

1727
01:04:20,390 --> 01:04:18,079
the one on the right is ufo bigfoot

1728
01:04:22,789 --> 01:04:20,400
connection and to me the noses the eyes

1729
01:04:24,069 --> 01:04:22,799
the the shaggy hair they're very very

1730
01:04:28,870 --> 01:04:24,079
similar

1731
01:04:30,950 --> 01:04:28,880
know um you mentioned stan gordon

1732
01:04:33,829 --> 01:04:30,960
earlier and he does the connection

1733
01:04:35,910 --> 01:04:33,839
between the bigfoot and the ufos all the

1734
01:04:39,109 --> 01:04:35,920
way back from the 1970s when he was

1735
01:04:43,670 --> 01:04:39,119
working on that yeah which is another

1736
01:04:48,230 --> 01:04:45,990
the one question i have now this is just

1737
01:04:50,309 --> 01:04:48,240
something you may or may not know but

1738
01:04:51,829 --> 01:04:50,319
um you know we talk about the united

1739
01:04:53,109 --> 01:04:51,839
states

1740
01:04:56,470 --> 01:04:53,119
there's no

1741
01:04:58,950 --> 01:04:56,480
like skin walker ranch in europe

1742
01:05:01,029 --> 01:04:58,960
type thing is there or do we ever hear

1743
01:05:03,349 --> 01:05:01,039
about anything i know there's a hazelton

1744
01:05:06,309 --> 01:05:03,359
lights but i'm wondering if there's any

1745
01:05:08,390 --> 01:05:06,319
place where all things like this happen

1746
01:05:10,549 --> 01:05:08,400
that you're aware of and i i know

1747
01:05:12,390 --> 01:05:10,559
there's something in georgia someone

1748
01:05:13,990 --> 01:05:12,400
told me about that too but i'm just

1749
01:05:16,390 --> 01:05:14,000
talking in the united states i've never

1750
01:05:17,670 --> 01:05:16,400
heard of other countries canada for

1751
01:05:20,069 --> 01:05:17,680
instance or

1752
01:05:21,190 --> 01:05:20,079
you know in south america

1753
01:05:23,430 --> 01:05:21,200
anywhere

1754
01:05:25,190 --> 01:05:23,440
um are you aware of any place like that

1755
01:05:27,349 --> 01:05:25,200
outside of the country

1756
01:05:29,510 --> 01:05:27,359
i haven't but i've i've there is a

1757
01:05:30,950 --> 01:05:29,520
really good film and oh my gosh and i

1758
01:05:33,190 --> 01:05:30,960
can't think of the name of it i want to

1759
01:05:35,510 --> 01:05:33,200
say it's out of argentina

1760
01:05:36,549 --> 01:05:35,520
and there's um what is the name of that

1761
01:05:41,109 --> 01:05:36,559
film

1762
01:05:43,270 --> 01:05:41,119
brought tears to my eyes because his

1763
01:05:45,670 --> 01:05:43,280
experiences were almost very very

1764
01:05:47,670 --> 01:05:45,680
similar to my own in high strangeness

1765
01:05:49,670 --> 01:05:47,680
kind of ways and so

1766
01:05:52,630 --> 01:05:49,680
um and i believe that that particular

1767
01:05:53,990 --> 01:05:52,640
one was in argentina so i'm trying to

1768
01:05:57,109 --> 01:05:54,000
think of the name of it i'll i'll try

1769
01:05:58,309 --> 01:05:57,119
and come up with it's a great film

1770
01:06:00,470 --> 01:05:58,319
yeah so

1771
01:06:03,029 --> 01:06:00,480
there must be yeah there must be i just

1772
01:06:04,630 --> 01:06:03,039
haven't delved deep into it that one in

1773
01:06:06,710 --> 01:06:04,640
particular comes to mind

1774
01:06:07,510 --> 01:06:06,720
and it would be interesting if that is

1775
01:06:08,470 --> 01:06:07,520
so

1776
01:06:10,870 --> 01:06:08,480
what the

1777
01:06:12,470 --> 01:06:10,880
commonalities are yeah yeah go ahead

1778
01:06:13,750 --> 01:06:12,480
it's i think the movie's called out of

1779
01:06:15,990 --> 01:06:13,760
this world

1780
01:06:18,230 --> 01:06:16,000
have you seen that one yeah no i have no

1781
01:06:20,309 --> 01:06:18,240
i don't think so but i mean when i say

1782
01:06:21,829 --> 01:06:20,319
the commonalities other military bases

1783
01:06:22,710 --> 01:06:21,839
near these

1784
01:06:24,710 --> 01:06:22,720
you know

1785
01:06:26,630 --> 01:06:24,720
is that near all these hot spots you

1786
01:06:28,549 --> 01:06:26,640
know that's one thing i wonder

1787
01:06:31,349 --> 01:06:28,559
yeah commonalities too i've really

1788
01:06:32,710 --> 01:06:31,359
looked into um the history of the land

1789
01:06:35,109 --> 01:06:32,720
itself and i know that's something they

1790
01:06:37,029 --> 01:06:35,119
talk a lot about in utah you know the

1791
01:06:39,349 --> 01:06:37,039
the native folklore and connections to

1792
01:06:41,510 --> 01:06:39,359
that and that's certainly the case i

1793
01:06:43,990 --> 01:06:41,520
mean one of the greatest massacres was

1794
01:06:46,150 --> 01:06:44,000
really close to kiowa which was the sand

1795
01:06:48,470 --> 01:06:46,160
creek massacre a lot of brutal things

1796
01:06:52,710 --> 01:06:48,480
happen there um heavy you know you

1797
01:06:53,750 --> 01:06:52,720
cheyenne pawnee kiowa comanche so

1798
01:06:55,430 --> 01:06:53,760
there's

1799
01:06:57,349 --> 01:06:55,440
heavily um

1800
01:07:00,470 --> 01:06:57,359
a lot of like trauma to the land i guess

1801
01:07:02,710 --> 01:07:00,480
so if those energies retain in water or

1802
01:07:05,109 --> 01:07:02,720
rocks i don't know you know that these

1803
01:07:07,270 --> 01:07:05,119
are all something to look at

1804
01:07:09,910 --> 01:07:07,280
i don't know it's just it's just very

1805
01:07:11,029 --> 01:07:09,920
mysterious um for sure

1806
01:07:13,829 --> 01:07:11,039
um and

1807
01:07:15,670 --> 01:07:13,839
now what about over the years

1808
01:07:18,150 --> 01:07:15,680
as far as you know

1809
01:07:21,029 --> 01:07:18,160
is the activity on this particular ranch

1810
01:07:23,510 --> 01:07:21,039
in colorado slowed down does it go up

1811
01:07:25,670 --> 01:07:23,520
and down what what do you know about it

1812
01:07:27,829 --> 01:07:25,680
well from what i know it slowed way down

1813
01:07:31,109 --> 01:07:27,839
but talking with james keenan he was

1814
01:07:34,950 --> 01:07:31,119
talking to me about this 11-year kind of

1815
01:07:37,670 --> 01:07:34,960
cycle where activity will rise and fall

1816
01:07:40,309 --> 01:07:37,680
every 11 years and you say why 11 years

1817
01:07:42,470 --> 01:07:40,319
well it kind of corresponds with the

1818
01:07:43,910 --> 01:07:42,480
position of earth in our solar system

1819
01:07:46,150 --> 01:07:43,920
and solar flares

1820
01:07:48,309 --> 01:07:46,160
and this because we we get these solar

1821
01:07:49,190 --> 01:07:48,319
flares and that magnetizes things even

1822
01:07:55,270 --> 01:07:49,200
more

1823
01:07:58,390 --> 01:07:55,280
now is is this is it like a perfect

1824
01:08:00,390 --> 01:07:58,400
storm or melting pot of all these little

1825
01:08:02,309 --> 01:08:00,400
nuances that we're all looking about you

1826
01:08:05,829 --> 01:08:02,319
know these little pieces like uh

1827
01:08:08,150 --> 01:08:05,839
folklore and minerals and land and

1828
01:08:11,109 --> 01:08:08,160
and magnetism and is it just this

1829
01:08:14,069 --> 01:08:11,119
perfect mixture of these things that

1830
01:08:15,109 --> 01:08:14,079
cause this to happen i don't know

1831
01:08:17,829 --> 01:08:15,119
you know and

1832
01:08:19,349 --> 01:08:17,839
also the people like intuitive people

1833
01:08:21,030 --> 01:08:19,359
and that you know seems to make a

1834
01:08:21,910 --> 01:08:21,040
difference too

1835
01:08:25,030 --> 01:08:21,920
right

1836
01:08:26,950 --> 01:08:25,040
i know when nids was at

1837
01:08:29,110 --> 01:08:26,960
skinwalker ranch

1838
01:08:30,789 --> 01:08:29,120
there was some and unfortunately didn't

1839
01:08:32,229 --> 01:08:30,799
catch us on

1840
01:08:33,749 --> 01:08:32,239
film but

1841
01:08:38,900 --> 01:08:33,759
purportedly

1842
01:08:43,110 --> 01:08:40,789
[Music]

1843
01:08:45,990 --> 01:08:43,120
comes out of it and then it closes

1844
01:08:48,070 --> 01:08:46,000
and uh you know that's another you know

1845
01:08:49,669 --> 01:08:48,080
huge mystery if that indeed really

1846
01:08:51,749 --> 01:08:49,679
happened and

1847
01:08:53,990 --> 01:08:51,759
it's some you know and it it

1848
01:08:55,990 --> 01:08:54,000
probably i mean i i would think that it

1849
01:08:59,910 --> 01:08:56,000
was witness that happened

1850
01:09:01,910 --> 01:08:59,920
i do i i am a believer that yes not all

1851
01:09:03,349 --> 01:09:01,920
of them maybe not all bigfoot sasquatch

1852
01:09:05,829 --> 01:09:03,359
are connected to craft but i believe

1853
01:09:06,950 --> 01:09:05,839
some of them are and in fact i think

1854
01:09:10,550 --> 01:09:06,960
they're either

1855
01:09:13,189 --> 01:09:10,560
like bodyguards workers um i i think

1856
01:09:14,630 --> 01:09:13,199
they have a role to play in this i do

1857
01:09:17,110 --> 01:09:14,640
think they're interdimensional some of

1858
01:09:19,510 --> 01:09:17,120
them are again not one clean i'm not

1859
01:09:20,390 --> 01:09:19,520
claiming i know that's just been my

1860
01:09:23,030 --> 01:09:20,400
experience

1861
01:09:25,910 --> 01:09:23,040
and people i've talked to witnesses i've

1862
01:09:26,789 --> 01:09:25,920
talked to it just adds up to that for me

1863
01:09:29,030 --> 01:09:26,799
but

1864
01:09:30,789 --> 01:09:29,040
one other thing i would like to share if

1865
01:09:34,390 --> 01:09:30,799
you don't mind what is that interesting

1866
01:09:36,470 --> 01:09:34,400
the two interceptors that crashed

1867
01:09:39,749 --> 01:09:36,480
what okay i'm not i'm not familiar with

1868
01:09:42,229 --> 01:09:39,759
that okay yeah so in the reports um they

1869
01:09:43,990 --> 01:09:42,239
talk about these two in dr leo sprinkles

1870
01:09:46,149 --> 01:09:44,000
files that said there were two

1871
01:09:47,510 --> 01:09:46,159
interceptors that crash in pursuit of a

1872
01:09:49,030 --> 01:09:47,520
ufo

1873
01:09:51,669 --> 01:09:49,040
and i'm like well there's something that

1874
01:09:55,270 --> 01:09:51,679
i could get data on right

1875
01:09:56,630 --> 01:09:55,280
um and so sure enough if you go to image

1876
01:09:58,149 --> 01:09:56,640
eight

1877
01:09:59,910 --> 01:09:58,159
right there

1878
01:10:02,470 --> 01:09:59,920
hang on just a second i found this

1879
01:10:04,870 --> 01:10:02,480
scattered in my thing here oh

1880
01:10:06,390 --> 01:10:04,880
so this the top is actually from the

1881
01:10:09,430 --> 01:10:06,400
briefing document

1882
01:10:10,950 --> 01:10:09,440
um they talk about a newspaper newspaper

1883
01:10:13,750 --> 01:10:10,960
editor that disappeared that's a whole

1884
01:10:15,910 --> 01:10:13,760
other story but it also says i i also

1885
01:10:18,070 --> 01:10:15,920
understand that two national guard

1886
01:10:19,830 --> 01:10:18,080
interceptors were up

1887
01:10:21,350 --> 01:10:19,840
blah blah blah and that's redacted i

1888
01:10:23,910 --> 01:10:21,360
don't know what it says and went down

1889
01:10:25,669 --> 01:10:23,920
while in pursuit of a ufo at night

1890
01:10:27,590 --> 01:10:25,679
all of this was a little unnerving so i

1891
01:10:30,310 --> 01:10:27,600
decided i was going to stop my own

1892
01:10:32,070 --> 01:10:30,320
inquiry i was going to just quietly mind

1893
01:10:35,030 --> 01:10:32,080
my own business that's a quote from the

1894
01:10:37,110 --> 01:10:35,040
undersheriff so i find the article so i

1895
01:10:39,510 --> 01:10:37,120
got the date the time the exact location

1896
01:10:41,189 --> 01:10:39,520
and then i did a foia request

1897
01:10:43,750 --> 01:10:41,199
richard dodie told me where to foia

1898
01:10:45,669 --> 01:10:43,760
which is interesting a whole so

1899
01:10:47,510 --> 01:10:45,679
here i am sitting at the admission

1900
01:10:49,750 --> 01:10:47,520
station getting an admissions test for

1901
01:10:51,830 --> 01:10:49,760
my son's car and the phone my cell phone

1902
01:10:53,990 --> 01:10:51,840
rings and it's the united states air

1903
01:10:54,870 --> 01:10:54,000
force which is now the space force out

1904
01:10:56,709 --> 01:10:54,880
here

1905
01:10:58,470 --> 01:10:56,719
and it's a gentleman who heads up the

1906
01:11:00,149 --> 01:10:58,480
foia request

1907
01:11:03,189 --> 01:11:00,159
and we talked on the phone for 40

1908
01:11:05,350 --> 01:11:03,199
minutes and he's he told me katie if you

1909
01:11:07,990 --> 01:11:05,360
want anything else about kiowa or albert

1910
01:11:10,149 --> 01:11:08,000
county i want you to call me directly

1911
01:11:13,350 --> 01:11:10,159
so he kind of kind of was intimidated so

1912
01:11:15,669 --> 01:11:13,360
if you put up image nine this is part of

1913
01:11:17,270 --> 01:11:15,679
the foia i got a big thick packet it was

1914
01:11:19,510 --> 01:11:17,280
about an inch thick and a lot of it was

1915
01:11:21,910 --> 01:11:19,520
redacted i have the radio transcripts

1916
01:11:23,910 --> 01:11:21,920
from that incident both pilots ejected

1917
01:11:25,990 --> 01:11:23,920
both pilots survived but it's

1918
01:11:28,470 --> 01:11:26,000
interesting because they listed several

1919
01:11:30,870 --> 01:11:28,480
causes of the crash and in one of them

1920
01:11:33,189 --> 01:11:30,880
it said the instructor pilot

1921
01:11:35,270 --> 01:11:33,199
misidentified the rotating beacon of

1922
01:11:38,149 --> 01:11:35,280
another aircraft as the students

1923
01:11:40,229 --> 01:11:38,159
aircraft cause but it never identified

1924
01:11:41,750 --> 01:11:40,239
what the other aircraft was in this big

1925
01:11:43,750 --> 01:11:41,760
thick packet it never said it was a

1926
01:11:45,750 --> 01:11:43,760
cessna another military plane it's the

1927
01:11:48,070 --> 01:11:45,760
only time it's ever mentioned

1928
01:11:50,390 --> 01:11:48,080
and the all the other causes says that

1929
01:11:52,790 --> 01:11:50,400
the student turned off his beacon light

1930
01:11:54,790 --> 01:11:52,800
and so the instructor hit his hit his

1931
01:11:56,870 --> 01:11:54,800
wing and they both ejected and went down

1932
01:11:58,229 --> 01:11:56,880
and they both lost both the other

1933
01:12:01,110 --> 01:11:58,239
interesting thing i got out of this

1934
01:12:03,750 --> 01:12:01,120
document is that this was over civilian

1935
01:12:05,830 --> 01:12:03,760
neighborhoods at night out of buckley

1936
01:12:08,070 --> 01:12:05,840
and they had 255

1937
01:12:09,990 --> 01:12:08,080
live rounds of ammunition on board that

1938
01:12:11,510 --> 01:12:10,000
those craft

1939
01:12:13,189 --> 01:12:11,520
on those fighter jets why would they

1940
01:12:15,270 --> 01:12:13,199
have live rounds

1941
01:12:17,030 --> 01:12:15,280
i don't know strange that is strange and

1942
01:12:18,950 --> 01:12:17,040
when i've talked to other military

1943
01:12:21,669 --> 01:12:18,960
personnel they said especially with a

1944
01:12:23,750 --> 01:12:21,679
student at night over civilian houses

1945
01:12:26,229 --> 01:12:23,760
that is very strange

1946
01:12:28,390 --> 01:12:26,239
very very strange so i think there might

1947
01:12:30,550 --> 01:12:28,400
be truth to old dr leo sprinkles notes

1948
01:12:32,550 --> 01:12:30,560
that they were in pursuit of something

1949
01:12:33,590 --> 01:12:32,560
and in fact the sheriff talks about you

1950
01:12:35,030 --> 01:12:33,600
know that

1951
01:12:37,189 --> 01:12:35,040
because we didn't have dia at the time

1952
01:12:38,950 --> 01:12:37,199
we had stapleton and stapleton was

1953
01:12:40,950 --> 01:12:38,960
picking up things on radar that they

1954
01:12:42,870 --> 01:12:40,960
couldn't understand so unidentified

1955
01:12:43,750 --> 01:12:42,880
craft on radar

1956
01:12:46,470 --> 01:12:43,760
wow

1957
01:12:48,390 --> 01:12:46,480
i had leo on this show in the past he

1958
01:12:51,990 --> 01:12:48,400
was very very nice what a nice man he

1959
01:12:53,350 --> 01:12:52,000
was oh yes love him so much yeah was he

1960
01:12:55,430 --> 01:12:53,360
out your way

1961
01:12:57,270 --> 01:12:55,440
did he live in colorado i mean he's in

1962
01:12:59,350 --> 01:12:57,280
laramie so he's a quick two hours from

1963
01:13:01,189 --> 01:12:59,360
me and just recently i went to his

1964
01:13:02,790 --> 01:13:01,199
memorial service and in fact if i can

1965
01:13:05,189 --> 01:13:02,800
bring up in mitch four

1966
01:13:07,430 --> 01:13:05,199
before the end of the show

1967
01:13:09,669 --> 01:13:07,440
this is a book i wrote called letters of

1968
01:13:12,470 --> 01:13:09,679
love and light it's four decades of ufo

1969
01:13:16,470 --> 01:13:14,229
and sightings shared with ufologist

1970
01:13:18,550 --> 01:13:16,480
arleo sprinkle and it's basically what

1971
01:13:20,709 --> 01:13:18,560
happened is when i was there looking for

1972
01:13:22,390 --> 01:13:20,719
all the information on the ranch i was

1973
01:13:24,630 --> 01:13:22,400
getting lost in all these letters that

1974
01:13:26,709 --> 01:13:24,640
people wrote to dr sprinkle from around

1975
01:13:28,870 --> 01:13:26,719
the world and the cool thing about it he

1976
01:13:30,709 --> 01:13:28,880
kept all his response letters

1977
01:13:32,390 --> 01:13:30,719
so i spent three and a half years going

1978
01:13:34,070 --> 01:13:32,400
back and forth taking pictures of all

1979
01:13:36,310 --> 01:13:34,080
these letters and pulling out the most

1980
01:13:38,870 --> 01:13:36,320
interesting juicy parts i mean from

1981
01:13:43,110 --> 01:13:38,880
everything you know so i put it like

1982
01:13:45,430 --> 01:13:43,120
et descriptions craft descriptions um

1983
01:13:49,990 --> 01:13:45,440
you know people who channel the ets

1984
01:13:51,750 --> 01:13:50,000
implants to motives to hypnosis to

1985
01:13:54,310 --> 01:13:51,760
letters from children

1986
01:13:56,390 --> 01:13:54,320
you know leo's perspective it was just

1987
01:13:58,550 --> 01:13:56,400
this labor of love

1988
01:14:01,189 --> 01:13:58,560
written really for dr sprinkle and i was

1989
01:14:03,990 --> 01:14:01,199
so honored that i had it complete before

1990
01:14:05,910 --> 01:14:04,000
he passed and he was able to read it and

1991
01:14:08,310 --> 01:14:05,920
he was just so proud of that and so

1992
01:14:09,990 --> 01:14:08,320
thankful that i did that so it's like

1993
01:14:11,990 --> 01:14:10,000
really really special to me that i was

1994
01:14:14,390 --> 01:14:12,000
able to do that for him and really

1995
01:14:16,390 --> 01:14:14,400
recognize his body of work

1996
01:14:17,270 --> 01:14:16,400
wow that is that is really a great thing

1997
01:14:19,110 --> 01:14:17,280
you did

1998
01:14:20,149 --> 01:14:19,120
thank you yeah thank you i'm very proud

1999
01:14:22,550 --> 01:14:20,159
of that

2000
01:14:24,550 --> 01:14:22,560
yeah yep and let's see i think we

2001
01:14:27,110 --> 01:14:24,560
covered all the images except i don't

2002
01:14:28,870 --> 01:14:27,120
remember two what this one

2003
01:14:30,630 --> 01:14:28,880
oh this one just kind of showed all the

2004
01:14:33,110 --> 01:14:30,640
different connections that i make the

2005
01:14:35,030 --> 01:14:33,120
strange boxes the bigfoot the orbs the

2006
01:14:36,709 --> 01:14:35,040
shadow figures the craft the helicopters

2007
01:14:38,070 --> 01:14:36,719
the circle on the ground i tried to put

2008
01:14:40,229 --> 01:14:38,080
it all in one image because there was

2009
01:14:41,990 --> 01:14:40,239
just so much so yeah it's just sort of a

2010
01:14:43,830 --> 01:14:42,000
graphic that i made i have my degree in

2011
01:14:46,470 --> 01:14:43,840
graphic design and the other image we

2012
01:14:48,709 --> 01:14:46,480
didn't cover was image 11

2013
01:14:50,870 --> 01:14:48,719
which is fascinating if you read the

2014
01:14:53,189 --> 01:14:50,880
article it talks about that mysterious

2015
01:14:55,110 --> 01:14:53,199
blanket of metal found out there at the

2016
01:14:56,550 --> 01:14:55,120
time and there's a photograph of it and

2017
01:14:58,950 --> 01:14:56,560
they said they took i mean it's very

2018
01:15:01,669 --> 01:14:58,960
unusual looking yeah they took it and

2019
01:15:03,590 --> 01:15:01,679
they had it analyzed and of course

2020
01:15:05,430 --> 01:15:03,600
who knows what happened to this stuff i

2021
01:15:07,510 --> 01:15:05,440
have no idea

2022
01:15:10,550 --> 01:15:07,520
now is it have you heard you must have

2023
01:15:13,110 --> 01:15:10,560
heard of the angel hair cases a little

2024
01:15:15,430 --> 01:15:13,120
bit i i haven't dug too i wondered i

2025
01:15:16,470 --> 01:15:15,440
wondered it like a like a blanketing

2026
01:15:19,110 --> 01:15:16,480
that

2027
01:15:20,950 --> 01:15:19,120
was found on trees almost like a moss

2028
01:15:23,590 --> 01:15:20,960
and but uh

2029
01:15:25,750 --> 01:15:23,600
so this disappeared

2030
01:15:27,990 --> 01:15:25,760
did it get through

2031
01:15:29,830 --> 01:15:28,000
the analytics

2032
01:15:32,709 --> 01:15:29,840
well i mean in the article it says it

2033
01:15:34,070 --> 01:15:32,719
was taken to be tested i don't know i'm

2034
01:15:35,350 --> 01:15:34,080
sure that you know who was heavily

2035
01:15:38,149 --> 01:15:35,360
involved out there as well was the

2036
01:15:40,630 --> 01:15:38,159
colorado bureau of investigation

2037
01:15:42,470 --> 01:15:40,640
and norad and air force academy i'm sure

2038
01:15:44,229 --> 01:15:42,480
they got their hands on this and

2039
01:15:45,669 --> 01:15:44,239
sarinara you know we don't have it

2040
01:15:47,350 --> 01:15:45,679
anymore

2041
01:15:49,189 --> 01:15:47,360
interestingly enough there is something

2042
01:15:50,870 --> 01:15:49,199
called um

2043
01:15:53,189 --> 01:15:50,880
chaff right that

2044
01:15:54,790 --> 01:15:53,199
the military drops it confuses the radar

2045
01:15:57,030 --> 01:15:54,800
so instead of

2046
01:15:59,189 --> 01:15:57,040
if you have one plane out there it'll

2047
01:16:01,590 --> 01:15:59,199
appear that there's several right and it

2048
01:16:03,189 --> 01:16:01,600
looks like christmas tree tinsel and i

2049
01:16:05,430 --> 01:16:03,199
don't think that's what that is in that

2050
01:16:08,149 --> 01:16:05,440
image it's not it's not that it's

2051
01:16:10,870 --> 01:16:08,159
something that looks very unusual to me

2052
01:16:13,590 --> 01:16:10,880
it does yeah so all these pieces tied

2053
01:16:15,189 --> 01:16:13,600
together you know as i again i i didn't

2054
01:16:17,830 --> 01:16:15,199
even know anybody knew anything about

2055
01:16:19,990 --> 01:16:17,840
this and then to have all these pieces

2056
01:16:21,510 --> 01:16:20,000
start coming out and all this evidence

2057
01:16:24,229 --> 01:16:21,520
and all these interviews and all this

2058
01:16:25,830 --> 01:16:24,239
stuff i'm just like holy cow this is

2059
01:16:27,110 --> 01:16:25,840
much bigger than

2060
01:16:29,110 --> 01:16:27,120
yeah i thought

2061
01:16:31,830 --> 01:16:29,120
how did you first find out the first

2062
01:16:33,990 --> 01:16:31,840
tidbit that all this stuff existed hun

2063
01:16:34,870 --> 01:16:34,000
for the skinwalker in the book

2064
01:16:37,430 --> 01:16:34,880
i read

2065
01:16:40,229 --> 01:16:37,440
that's where you in that book i started

2066
01:16:42,310 --> 01:16:40,239
reading about i was like that's that's

2067
01:16:44,550 --> 01:16:42,320
that's the ranch that you know and i

2068
01:16:46,310 --> 01:16:44,560
learned of dr leo sprinkle and i wrote

2069
01:16:47,990 --> 01:16:46,320
him a letter promptly he wrote me back

2070
01:16:49,510 --> 01:16:48,000
and you know the next week i was down

2071
01:16:51,590 --> 01:16:49,520
there digging in the files and it's just

2072
01:16:53,910 --> 01:16:51,600
been going and going and going and going

2073
01:16:57,189 --> 01:16:53,920
ever since you know yeah yeah wow that's

2074
01:17:00,310 --> 01:16:57,199
amazing i'm pretty doggy i want answers

2075
01:17:01,990 --> 01:17:00,320
yeah yeah it's great that we have people

2076
01:17:02,790 --> 01:17:02,000
out there like you that have a passion

2077
01:17:05,110 --> 01:17:02,800
for

2078
01:17:07,910 --> 01:17:05,120
um that type of work because it's it's

2079
01:17:10,790 --> 01:17:07,920
like like the the book you wrote it's a

2080
01:17:12,870 --> 01:17:10,800
labor of love it can't be anything else

2081
01:17:14,630 --> 01:17:12,880
because it should be burned out and you

2082
01:17:16,550 --> 01:17:14,640
wouldn't be interested in it in five

2083
01:17:18,550 --> 01:17:16,560
minutes you know right so

2084
01:17:20,950 --> 01:17:18,560
uh but i appreciate that you you have

2085
01:17:22,950 --> 01:17:20,960
have done this type of work and thank

2086
01:17:24,630 --> 01:17:22,960
you i appreciate that martin

2087
01:17:25,990 --> 01:17:24,640
yeah and so we're at the end of the show

2088
01:17:28,390 --> 01:17:26,000
and i just want to thank you so much

2089
01:17:31,110 --> 01:17:28,400
it's been fascinating and uh you're

2090
01:17:32,310 --> 01:17:31,120
always a pleasure to talk to talk to oh

2091
01:17:34,550 --> 01:17:32,320
thank you i appreciate it thanks for

2092
01:17:36,390 --> 01:17:34,560
having me on and hope you have a good

2093
01:17:37,990 --> 01:17:36,400
rest of your week and i'm excited to go

2094
01:17:40,070 --> 01:17:38,000
down and do some digging i hope keep

2095
01:17:41,990 --> 01:17:40,080
your fingers crossed i find that family

2096
01:17:45,590 --> 01:17:42,000
history it would be so cool that would

2097
01:17:49,270 --> 01:17:47,669
i'll be talking to him soon but anyway

2098
01:17:50,310 --> 01:17:49,280
all right you take care now all right

2099
01:17:54,550 --> 01:17:50,320
thank you

2100
01:17:57,910 --> 01:17:54,560
you so much for uh watching the show

2101
01:17:59,510 --> 01:17:57,920
tonight and we'll be back i think i it's

2102
01:18:01,350 --> 01:17:59,520
september

2103
01:18:03,350 --> 01:18:01,360
9th or 8th or something like that with

2104
01:18:05,189 --> 01:18:03,360
nick redfern he'll be back on the show